Darth Plagueis vs. Valkorion

Started by Nephthys9 pages
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Anyway to put this to be before it gets out of hand:

Is this supposed to prove that Sidious > Plagueis? Because it's clearly not taking into account Plagueis since it says there were only two Sith - Sidious and Maul. So clearly taking him as being dead already.

Originally posted by Trocity
Sidious kills your precious Valkorion, deal with it. 👆

My precious Valkorion kills your hero, deal with it 😂

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
More like Outlander>Valkorion>Sheev>Yoda. $50 says the outlander doesn't defeat Valkorion cleanly. It will be some PIS.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, he was using the past perfect tense. Plagueis was the most powerful sith who had ever lived.

Sidious > Plagueis > Vitiate/all previous sith. 👆


Doesn't matters; Palpatine co-existed with him and is logically covered. Your interpretation doesn't matters to me.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I'm concerned. I think Legend has a brain tumour.

The butthurt is strong with this one.

Here is another:

Jessiah Eberlin: I read in your interview with TFN that George was adamant about Plagueis’s death ending in a specific way. But I’m curious, do you feel that had it come to a contest of lightsabers or Force powers that Sidious would have prevailed anyway?

Luceno: Jessiah, if it had come to a duel, I think Plagueis may have found a way to undermine his apprentice.

😮‍💨

Originally posted by Trocity
Sidious Darth Plagueis kills your precious Valkorion Palpatine, deal with it. 👆

Fixed.

And if you had read the novel, you'd note Sidious experiencing a growth in power after he killed Plagueis. Plagueis might've been Sidious at that point, but once Sidious killed Plagueis, he surpassed him as well. Also, what Luceno "thinks" isn't canon - where multiple sourcebooks have stated that Palpatine killed Plagueis only after obtaining the skill and knowledge to do so.

That he chose a safe and insured avenue doesn't preclude the possibility of him (at that point) being able to beat Plagueis in a legitimate fight - something that would probably go either way, in my opinion. Regardless, after the event, Sidious grew more powerful and only continued to grow in power in the decades to come. Future iterations of Sidious would absolutely defeat Plagueis.

How does LeG even have the brain capacity to spell properly, I wonder.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Doesn't matters; Palpatine co-existed with him and is logically covered. Your interpretation doesn't matters to me.

lol, but peak Palpatine did not. No contradiction, sorry. Palpatine > Plagueis > Vitiate. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
And if you had read the novel, you'd note Sidious experiencing a growth in power after he killed Plagueis. Plagueis might've been Sidious at that point, but once Sidious killed Plagueis, he surpassed him as well. Also, what Luceno "thinks" isn't canon - where multiple sourcebooks have stated that Palpatine killed Plagueis only after obtaining the skill and knowledge to do so.

That he chose a safe and insured avenue doesn't preclude the possibility of him (at that point) being able to beat Plagueis in a legitimate fight - something that would probably go either way, in my opinion. Regardless, after the event, Sidious grew more powerful and only continued to grow in power in the decades to come. Future iterations of Sidious would absolutely defeat Plagueis.


I wanted to make a point: critical thinking.

I got you to do some critical thinking as an example.

Unfortunately, The_Ellimist is bereft of critical thinking.

Originally posted by MythLord
How does LeG even have the brain capacity to spell properly, I wonder.

🙄

Lmao, just vaguely responding to someone's argument, and sniping at someone else's, by saying "you lack critical thinking" isn't an actual rebuttal.

The Plagueis quote means Plagueis at some point in time was more powerful than any Sith who had lived up to his time. Sidious had lived to his time; but he hadn't reached his peak yet. This isn't even critical thinking - don't run before you can walk - this is just an understanding of the past perfect tense, kek.

Lmao, just vaguely responding to someone's argument, and sniping at someone else's, by saying "you lack critical thinking" isn't an actual rebuttal.

Neither is trolling, silly one liners, and taking any quote to mean what you think it means (when it often doesn't). But hypocrisy is cool too 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lmao, just vaguely responding to someone's argument, and sniping at someone else's, by saying "you lack critical thinking" isn't an actual rebuttal.

The Plagueis quote means Plagueis at some point in time was more powerful than any Sith who had lived up to his time. Sidious had lived to his time; but he hadn't reached his peak yet. This isn't even critical thinking - don't run before you can walk - this is just an understanding of the past perfect tense, kek.


You continue to reinforce my assessment about you; you are bereft of critical thinking.

Now, instead of questioning my assessment and making excuses, try to figure out what you are overlooking or missing in your assessment.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
try to figure out what you are missing.

roflmao, it's not my job to find your arguments for you.

Try harder please. 👆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8shnRKZZ8

Originally posted by The Ellimist
roflmao, it's not my job to find your arguments for you.

Try harder please. 👆


Indeed.

Critical thinking is not your cup of tea, my friend. 👆

The answer is crystal-clear to those who understand or do not have memory problems. You might recall it as well, if you were paying attention.

> still thinks Plagueis > pre-prime Palpatine contradicts RotS Sidious > Plagueis
> thinks the past perfect tense applies to future events

You're the gift that keeps on giving tbh.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
> still thinks Plagueis > pre-prime Palpatine contradicts RotS Sidious > Plagueis
> thinks the past perfect tense applies to future events

You're the gift that keeps on giving tbh.


Your assumptions and interpretations are misguided. Try harder. 👆

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Valkorion still wins,Novel and SWTOR Vitiate is > Plagueis, so Valkorion certainly is as well.