Darth Plagueis vs. Valkorion

Started by slayne9 pages

Valkorion every time, though all in decent fights.

Plagueis isn't going to be stupid dnough to resort to lightsaber combat, and in a Force contest Valkorion's feats simply outshine him.

Plagueis. He simply outshines Valkorian when it comes to feats.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Plagueis. He simply outshines Valkorian when it comes to feats.
Based on what, exactly? The ritual BS that I've already proven you're incorrect about? Denial isn't befitting of you my friend.

When Plageuis died his force energies shook Coruscant to their core and even the stars themselves. Before his prime just by existing, he froze Naboo. Add the accolade that calls him the strongest DLOTS ever then Plagueis>>>

Originally posted by darthbane77
Based on what, exactly? The ritual

Yes. 🙂

Either way?
Also lmfao @NoVitiate > Plagueis.

Plagueis wins both rounds.

SWTOR Vitiate is enough - Valkorion wins with difficulty.

Originally posted by The Merchant
When Plageuis died his force energies shook Coruscant to their core and even the stars themselves. Before his prime just by existing, he froze Naboo. Add the accolade that calls him the strongest DLOTS ever then Plagueis>>>

That is all hyperbole.

Valk is slayer of gods 👆

Originally posted by slayne
Valkorion every time, though all in decent fights.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Based on what, exactly? The ritual BS that I've already proven incorrect?

😂 This ought to be good.

The stronger Plagueis wins yeah.

Plagueis unquestionably wins the saber contest [seeing as Valk has zero relevant feats on this], but the Force fight probably goes to Valk.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yes. 🙂

Which he needed Sidious and months of intense training to even accomplish. 😂

Vitiate was capable of performing the Dark Ritual, which would have completey wiped out all life in the galaxy, even turning the billions of stars to husks, eith only a few million deaths as aid.

That shits all over manipulating the balance of the Force.

That isn't even the much more powerful Valkorion, either.

Of which we've no reason to believe would have been substantiated by Vitiate's sheer power or will, suffusing the entire galaxy with the dark side through said means is far more impressive, yeah.

He's literally stated to have invested his power into the Dark Ritual, and that's why he was weak enough to kill on Dromund Kaas.

So no, Vitiate's feat is of an entirely greater magnitude, and he didn't need one of the most powerful Sith ever to assist him either.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Which he needed Sidious and months of intense training to even accomplish. 😂

Vitiate was capable of performing the Dark Ritual, which would have completey wiped out all life in the galaxy, even turning the billions of stars to husks, eith only a few million deaths as aid.

That shits all over manipulating the balance of the Force.

That isn't even the much more powerful Valkorion, either.

Plagueis is more powerful then Sidious a decade prior to TPM meaning he would be contributing at least 1/2 of the power needed to accomplish the feat of unbalancing the Force on a galactic scale. Do you disagree?

If you don't disagree with the above then here's why it's more impressive then Vitiate's feat. Sidious and Plagueis unbalanced the Force on a galactic scale. They did so to the point that not only the Jedi could feel it but all innately powerful Force sensitives. They did this to a Galaxy where the alignment was leaning leaning torwards the Light or at the very least, was in balance. According to the TFU campaign guide and Force and Nexuses, a planets force alignment is based off of the passive Force energy generated by their population. Assuming the SW Galaxy is as large as our own it contains hundreds of billions of planets. Sidious and Plagueis would have needed to match the energy output of millions of planets over those months to had the impact they did. Even dividing their energy output to what they could summon at a moments notice they'd still be capable of matching the energy output of dozens of planets.

Vitiate's ritual would not have been powered by solely his own Force energies, like Sidious and Plagueis's, but rather the accumulated Darkside energy caused by a Galactic spanning war.

Valkorian is honestly probably weaker then Vitiate given Nathema Vitiate is Vitiate's baseline power + the energy of Nathema + thousands of Sith Lords while Valkorian is the energy of Ziost + the remaining power he had in his weakened state ( not enought to prevent getting ragdolled by the HoT ).

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Plagueis is more powerful then Sidious a decade prior to TPM meaning he would be contributing at least 1/2 of the power needed to accomplish the feat of unbalancing the Force on a galactic scale. Do you disagree? .

For events that involve deep meditation over months, I imagine Sidious' raw power is going to impact more than Plagueis' active power, since that sort of stuff generally involves diving into reserves and hidden power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For events that involve deep meditation over months, I imagine Sidious' raw power is going to impact more than Plagueis' active power, since that sort of stuff generally involves diving into reserves and hidden power.

Fair point.