Originally posted by TheHulk
Oh and to be fair to Havok, it's not like he was completely aware of the X-Jet. Hell even if he was...he was trying to save the professor. C'mon, i'm pissed that he died like that but still...it was not entirely stupid of him 🙁
Hank tried to warn him but he just ignored him. It was insanely reckless, just shouting and firing full power in an indoor environment like that.
If people died that would have been blatant reckless manslaughter.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
They don't call him Havok because he likes to do all things well planned and organized, y'know. 😛
The problem is that the character has shown restraint and control in the past. Hell, a big part of the character in First Class is how he is basically afraid to use his powers, because he knows they are erratic and dangerous, and people could get killed if he isn't careful.
And then in DoFP, not only did he have the restraint to stop Mystique killing Stryker, but displayed enough fine control to fire off a blast that totally missed Raven, but hit Stryker just hard enough to KO him.
Yet here he just rushes Apocalypse and goes HAM.
Clearly the 10 years maturity since DOFP have done him no good whatsoever.
Also nice attempt at aging him by just growing his hair. He was supposed to be 16/17 in FC, and now he would be 36/37. At least get him to put on loads of weight or something. Otherwise just recast. Looks can change in those years.
Actually the laziness in aging the whole cast has been pretty poor.
Stop skipping 10 years every movie if you're going to make no attempt to make your cast look older.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The problem is that the character has shown restraint and control in the past. Hell, a big part of the character in First Class is how he is basically afraid to use his powers, because he knows they are erratic and dangerous, and people could get killed if he isn't careful.And then in DoFP, not only did he have the restraint to stop Mystique killing Stryker, but displayed enough fine control to fire off a blast that totally missed Raven, but hit Stryker just hard enough to KO him.
Yet here he just rushes Apocalypse and goes HAM.
The problem is that you can't take a joke.
uhuh
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually the laziness in aging the whole cast has been pretty poor.
I have given up expecting them to do a good job on this. Ignoring Havok, Jean and Scott (and presumably Storm) are in their late teens (Scott is old enough to drive), and it is 1983. Yet the future parts of DoFP is like 2022 or 2023 IIRC. So the ones we see at the end of that film are probably pushing 60, yet have the appearance of people in their mid to late 30s.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I have given up expecting them to do a good job on this. Ignoring Havok, Jean and Scott (and presumably Storm) are in their late teens (Scott is old enough to drive), and it is 1983. Yet the future parts of DoFP is like 2022 or 2023 IIRC. So the ones we see at the end of that film are probably pushing 60, yet have the appearance of people in their mid to late 30s.
Yeah I worked that out at the time of DOFP. Pis poor. At least give 60 year old Cylcops and Jean some grey hair and wrinkles. I mean what's so hard doing that for a small cameo!
Piss poor laziness.
Originally posted by Newjak
So I heard something crazy in this thread. So let's drop this QS does not have lightspeed power. In the house we clearly see that the explosion is still moving even in QS slow motion. An explosion does not move at the speed of light.
But QS was miles miles miles faster than the explosion, given he didn't just outrun the explosion, but evacuated the entire mansion in the time it was taking the explosion to expand.
Having said that though, it's unlikely he's Light Speed. Probably just like Mach 200 or something.
Originally posted by KingD19
My one defense for Alex is that Xavier himself had just three minutes ago told him to wreak Havok. And as we've seen, his beams, while powerful are very accurate. So if he'd hit anyone, it wouldn't have been Xavier, and he wouldn't have been hurt. Just the person hit.
I am not so sure about that. Yes, he can be very accurate with his blasts. But the beam in question, while only about a foot wide in diameter, incinerated pretty much the entirety of the one set of Cerebro blast doors (which are big enough that 2 people can walk through them comfortably side by side), purely because of the heatwash it was giving off. Even if the beam itself hit the intended target, the heat would have flash fried the people surrounding the target as well.
I wasn't so sure it was the heat expansion as it was the doors were connected and made of metal. Like a lightsaber being jammed into a door will heat the entire thing up as the hot metal gets hotter and the heat travels through it into the rest of the metal. It's a much slower process, but the same concept imo.
Originally posted by KingD19
I wasn't so sure it was the heat expansion as it was the doors were connected and made of metal. Like a lightsaber being jammed into a door will heat the entire thing up as the hot metal gets hotter and the heat travels through it into the rest of the metal. It's a much slower process, but the same concept imo.
Well, somewhere on comicvine, someone must have gotten a leaked copy of the film, because there is a slowmo gif of the door being blasted somewhere in the one thread (I forget exactly which one). And you initially see the beam itself easily punch right through the door, but as the beam travels through it, the door around it burns up to nothing, in almost a perfect circle/radius around the beam. Because you see clear air between the beam and the doors, yet they still burn up to nothing. So to me it seemed more a case of the heat of the beam burning the door. It makes sense though, given how hot his blasts are (remember, even noob Alex set off the warning alarms in that fallout bunker when he cut loose with a single blast in First Class, and that chamber was built to withstand nuclear war), and that similar has happened in the comics IIRC. But movie Alex seems to be able to vary the intensity of his blasts from "send someone flying and KO them without burning them" to "easily punch through several inches of metal blast door".
Originally posted by Newjak
So I heard something crazy in this thread. So let's drop this QS does not have lightspeed power. In the house we clearly see that the explosion is still moving even in QS slow motion. An explosion does not move at the speed of light.
People don't have to drop anything because you say its crazy or do not agree with it.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialYou are correct. They need to drop when very clearly what they say is wrong and there is evidence that easily dismisses it.
People don't have to drop anything because you say its crazy or do not agree with it.
Which in this case there is. QS can not travel at or greater than lightspeed