Originally posted by -K-M-
Incorrect, eating flesh creates the connection and the Great Beasts can further add to their power and are directly connected to then as shown recently in Amazing X-men. The more flesh they eat actually powered up Tanaraq.
That's because they were created by a specific spell.
Well their technically Elder Gods of the Night and are personifications of death and decay and are older then the Earth itself. They did better against the Choas King and his God Army then all the other Pantheon's did. They weren't even full power. Hardly something to brush off.
And a random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order only destroyed entire creation.
Tough shit.
I know, I'm literally talking about capabilities of the team and to show their not weak. Remember I'm a big JSA fan too
Couldn't remember.
They do have skyfather powers, ie. 2 members can become Great Beasts and one member who can outright control and summon them. However, that's not their average. Could Snowbird take their form? Sure if he was killing them. Would Sasquatch? I doubt it he trys so hard not to. Would Talisman summon them to battle? Unlikely.
OK? So I take nobody below skyfathers can beat them?
True he did post a pic of WW3 BA, so if were using WW3 then that's 100% different.
Agreed, but even their averages are pretty damn high. HIGHLY underrated team
OK?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Dr. Fate had to run away from Adam. She is a peer in magical ability? Hector banished entire JSA with a gesture and beat down ****ing Mordru.What's next? Talisman can beat Mordru too?
Your not still flogging that dead horse, I thought we covered this on hero chat.
Hector had Prep and a LOT of plot on his side. He was lead to how to deal with Mordru while in the amulet by Nabu, Kent (over a couple of issues I might add)and all previous Fate hosts.
He contacted Dove who got PG and others to help her find Arion who weakened Mordru bu going through his body (being as the body Mordru used ATT was Arion's)
His Helm further weakened Mordru (a feat done before to the likes of Kullak, who is above Spectre given he beat Spec twice and was only ever beaten by Spec when he either got the presence's help or acquired the ring of life).
AFTER all this Hector bound Mordru, basically enacting Mordru's Kryptonite given he's Claustrophobic.
So what your telling me is that if I had a feat of Say Batman putting a Kryptonite spear through the heart of Superman at the end of the D.O.S fight where his solar energy is lowered because of how much he expended fighting Doomsday (just twisting the Bat's vs Supes plot here a smidge) then Batman >>>>> Superman RIGHT????
Given that Talisman has feats of breaching protections even Classic Strange couldn't, she is a peer of Classic Fate NOT Hector. So yes if she had ALL the plot help Hector had she could absolutely replicate that feat.
Originally posted by abhilegendAnd a random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order only destroyed entire creation.
Tough shit.
This is a COMPLETELY twisted and vastly incorrect take on what happened.
1. Andrew Bennett was sent to acquire an artifact that had nothing what so ever to do with the Lords of Order to achieve that feat. A feat that cause re-creation not just destruction. We (Andrew and the Straus' Fate) got to see the Creation (GOD) wave up close when it happened.
2. It was openly stated by Nabu that he was the ONLY Lord Of Order or Lord Of Chaos who was aware of the higher power (who's temple said artifact was protected in) because of his accepting the mortal form he had taken on and the humility that came with it.
3. IF the Lords of order had that power then why would they have needed Andrew bennett to begin with.
4. After that story line when Inza Took over as Fate we see that it was the conflict between the forces of Order and Fate that caused creation (which had been stated as the reason the Presence created them by the Phantom Stranger earlier)
So are we to believe that the Lords of Order, who at the time were in decline in power could accomplish more than what the Lords of Order and Chaos combined at their peak could???
FTR, not saying that AF defeat BA or vice versa. WWIII BA will certainly give them one hell of a fight. But the ABC logic your accusing others of is exactly what your using.
Originally posted by beatboks
Your not still flogging that dead horse, I thought we covered this on hero chat.Hector had Prep and a LOT of plot on his side. He was lead to how to deal with Mordru while in the amulet by Nabu, Kent (over a couple of issues I might add)and all previous Fate hosts.
He contacted Dove who got PG and others to help her find Arion who weakened Mordru bu going through his body (being as the body Mordru used ATT was Arion's)
His Helm further weakened Mordru (a feat done before to the likes of Kullak, who is above Spectre given he beat Spec twice and was only ever beaten by Spec when he either got the presence's help or acquired the ring of life).
AFTER all this Hector bound Mordru, basically enacting Mordru's Kryptonite given he's Claustrophobic.
So what your telling me is that if I had a feat of Say Batman putting a Kryptonite spear through the heart of Superman at the end of the D.O.S fight where his solar energy is lowered because of how much he expended fighting Doomsday (just twisting the Bat's vs Supes plot here a smidge) then Batman >>>>> Superman RIGHT????
Given that Talisman has feats of breaching protections even Classic Strange couldn't, she is a peer of Classic Fate NOT Hector. So yes if she had ALL the plot help Hector had she could absolutely replicate that feat.
This is a COMPLETELY twisted and vastly incorrect take on what happened.
1. Andrew Bennett was sent to acquire an artifact that had nothing what so ever to do with the Lords of Order to achieve that feat. A feat that cause re-creation not just destruction. We (Andrew and the Straus' Fate) got to see the Creation (GOD) wave up close when it happened.
2. It was openly stated by Nabu that he was the ONLY Lord Of Order or Lord Of Chaos who was aware of the higher power (who's temple said artifact was protected in) because of his accepting the mortal form he had taken on and the humility that came with it.
3. IF the Lords of order had that power then why would they have needed Andrew bennett to begin with.
4. After that story line when Inza Took over as Fate we see that it was the conflict between the forces of Order and Fate that caused creation (which had been stated as the reason the Presence created them by the Phantom Stranger earlier)
So are we to believe that the Lords of Order, who at the time were in decline in power could accomplish more than what the Lords of Order and Chaos combined at their peak could???
FTR, not saying that AF defeat BA or vice versa. WWIII BA will certainly give them one hell of a fight. But the ABC logic your accusing others of is exactly what your using.
Abmaster gets called out AGAIN for lying and leaving out pertinent details. 💃
Originally posted by beatboks
Your not still flogging that dead horse, I thought we covered this on hero chat.Hector had Prep and a LOT of plot on his side. He was lead to how to deal with Mordru while in the amulet by Nabu, Kent (over a couple of issues I might add)and all previous Fate hosts.
He contacted Dove who got PG and others to help her find Arion who weakened Mordru bu going through his body (being as the body Mordru used ATT was Arion's)
His Helm further weakened Mordru (a feat done before to the likes of Kullak, who is above Spectre given he beat Spec twice and was only ever beaten by Spec when he either got the presence's help or acquired the ring of life).
We've already done this. He was never weakened by the helm.
AFTER all this Hector bound Mordru, basically enacting Mordru's Kryptonite given he's Claustrophobic.
Oh shut up, Mordru's phobia is buried alive. Not being bound.
So what your telling me is that if I had a feat of Say Batman putting a Kryptonite spear through the heart of Superman at the end of the D.O.S fight where his solar energy is lowered because of how much he expended fighting Doomsday (just twisting the Bat's vs Supes plot here a smidge) then Batman >>>>> Superman RIGHT????
What a bunch of nonsense. Mordru was powerful enough to beat Thunderbolt and own entire JSA. Hector beat him down on his own game and then buried him. Even Nabu said so.
I like how you always ignore that.
Given that Talisman has feats of breaching protections even Classic Strange couldn't, she is a peer of Classic Fate NOT Hector. So yes if she had ALL the plot help Hector had she could absolutely replicate that feat.
Hector is Above classic Fate. He has the power of both Chaos and Order. Classic Fate was simply a Lord of Order.
And no, she wouldn't.
This is a COMPLETELY twisted and vastly incorrect take on what happened.
1. Andrew Bennett was sent to acquire an artifact that had nothing what so ever to do with the Lords of Order to achieve that feat. A feat that cause re-creation not just destruction. We (Andrew and the Straus' Fate) got to see the Creation (GOD) wave up close when it happened.
2. It was openly stated by Nabu that he was the ONLY Lord Of Order or Lord Of Chaos who was aware of the higher power (who's temple said artifact was protected in) because of his accepting the mortal form he had taken on and the humility that came with it.
What a complete bunch of nonsense. Do you have to mix your words everywhere.
3. IF the Lords of order had that power then why would they have needed Andrew bennett to begin with.
Because they needed a mortal host.
4. After that story line when Inza Took over as Fate we see that it was the conflict between the forces of Order and Fate that caused creation (which had been stated as the reason the Presence created them by the Phantom Stranger earlier)
Yes, so?
So are we to believe that the Lords of Order, who at the time were in decline in power could accomplish more than what the Lords of Order and Chaos combined at their peak could???
Absolutely. Your words do not supersede what's on panel.
FTR, not saying that AF defeat BA or vice versa. WWIII BA will certainly give them one hell of a fight. But the ABC logic your accusing others of is exactly what your using.
WWIII BA will rip them apart much worse than collective did.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We've already done this. He was never weakened by the helm.Oh shut up, Mordru's phobia is buried alive. Not being bound.
What a bunch of nonsense. Mordru was powerful enough to beat Thunderbolt and own entire JSA. Hector beat him down on his own game and then buried him. Even Nabu said so.
I like how you always ignore that.
Hector is Above classic Fate. He has the power of both Chaos and Order. Classic Fate was simply a Lord of Order.
And no, she wouldn't.
What a complete bunch of nonsense. Do you have to mix your words everywhere.
Because they needed a mortal host.
Yes, so?
Absolutely. Your words do not supersede what's on panel.
WWIII BA will rip them apart much worse than collective did.
Funny how in that other thread you conceeded that the helm showed Mordru a future he didn't want to see (your 1st post page 2). http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=9929.0
He cast the Helm aside with a sound of pain. He thanked Shazam andNabu for their help in the win. He had prep. He'd weakened Mordru (a fact you also conceeded IIRC with a comment that "no body said he wasn't weakened". You unsubstantiated claim that he soloed the JSA in that state (which he didn't only launched an attack that did nothing), did nothing to counter that.
Now to address your compelte fabrication of facts. You state that with a portion of the power of the lords of order Bennett destroyed the universe
That portion only in fact protected a Vampire from the sun
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%208.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
So uber powerful.
They go on to state that
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2013.jpg.html
They are limited in their Scope in the earthly plane and that Bennett goes on alone from that point.
If it used their power why did Bennett need the holy Grail??
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2021.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2026.jpg.html
The cup of Christ (who is most certainly NOT a Lord of Chaos) to then acquire a Flute
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%205%20-%20Page%2026.jpg.html
And if it was their power you'd think that' they'd have some inkling that it was actually used and what happened
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%206%20-%20Page%2014.jpg.html
Originally posted by beatboks
Funny how in that other thread you conceeded that the helm showed Mordru a future he didn't want to see (your 1st post page 2). http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=9929.0
That's not being weakened by the helm.
He cast the Helm aside with a sound of pain. He thanked Shazam andNabu for their help in the win.
Again with that bunch of nonsense? Nabu flat out said Hector beat him on his own. When are you going to acknowledge that?
He had prep. He'd weakened Mordru (a fact you also conceeded IIRC with a comment that "no body said he wasn't weakened". You unsubstantiated claim that he soloed the JSA in that state (which he didn't only launched an attack that did nothing), did nothing to counter that.
Wut? He had no prep. All he learned was to let go of Lyta after Nabu showed him an illusion where Kent Nelson and others were his own imagination.
Yes, he soloed the JSA as they were helpless before him.
Hector banished them with a wave of his hand.
Now to address your compelte fabrication of facts. You state that with a portion of the power of the lords of order Bennett destroyed the universe
That portion only in fact protected a Vampire from the sun
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%208.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3So uber powerful.
They go on to state that
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2013.jpg.html
They are limited in their Scope in the earthly plane and that Bennett goes on alone from that point.
What a bunch of totally unrelated scans. What are you trying to do here? Like I said the Lords needed a mortal body to function.
If it used their power why did Bennett need the holy Grail??
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2021.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%204%20-%20Page%2026.jpg.html
The cup of Christ (who is most certainly NOT a Lord of Chaos) to then acquire a Flute
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%205%20-%20Page%2026.jpg.html
And if it was their power you'd think that' they'd have some inkling that it was actually used and what happened
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Andrew%20Bennett/Dr.%20Fate%20V2%206%20-%20Page%2014.jpg.html
Are you really this dense? Bennett refused to play the flute and thus refused to channel their power to destroy the reality.
It's like you live in Bizarro world where you create your own comics.
