When does Luke surpass Palpatine?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
DE Palpatine? Never.

the sidious > luke counterculture is here it seems

Well once I crush Azronger we'll see 🙂

Depends on your arguments, yeah.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
the sidious > luke counterculture is here it seems

Well once I crush Azronger we'll see 🙂

Bring it on

Wait did Luke develop shatterpoint in legends?

Another good one that can take no morals peak Luke is peak Anakin.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
the sidious > luke counterculture is here it seems

Well once I crush Azronger we'll see 🙂

> Be Ellimist

> The Circumstances in Kylo Ren vs Finn excuse Ren's sub-stormtrooper level performance... he much more powerful than Shaak Ti in a normal setting

> The circumstances in Luke's battle with Palpatine are negligible... He easily overcame the gap because reasons

lol you're welcome to actually respond in the thread we were debating that in, you can't say "I'm aware of Finn's circumstances, oh but then for the rest of my lost I'll just ignore them for no reason".

Dark Empire barring Force Storm.

It's become "cool" to say Luke never surpassed Sidious, even though Luke at his best is clearly above Palpatine.

Little cringy but w.e

ROTJ is his Prime according to Hamill so then.

That's in canon, lol.

And the opinions of voice actors isn't canon.

I am not convinced that Luke Skywalker is above Palpatine (DE).

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
That's in canon, lol.

And the opinions of voice actors isn't canon.

Dark Empire Luke took on a bloodlusted Palpatine on neutral ground and cut off his arm, putting him at saber point. Only reason why Palps didn't lose right then and there was him activating his Force storm, which in turn made him a Force nexus unleashed.

One argument is that Leia used Battle meditation during the duel, but not only is that not said (people who say the blue aura around her indicates that's BM are reaching tbh) but the audio drama makes it clear that Leia only used BM during the Force storm, the idea iirc pops up when they're discussing the Storm. Heck, she couldn't even see or make out Palps and Lukes duel, at best sensing the light and Dark side battling it out.

Palpatine taking down Luke on Byss easily is because Byss is a DS nexus, specifically his. He even says Luke can't beat him because they're on Byss. Byss is potent enough to possibly be "the Dark Center of the Universe" so it's a massive boost for Palps while a massive hindrance on Lukes powers as well, which was also evidently shown.

Haven't read DE II in a while, so can't comment on how people use Sedriss QL as a rebuttal.

Empire's End I skimmed, but when Luke met Palpatine again it was with Han in the exact moment Han shot Palpatine so their couldn't be a proper duel. But, all Jedi ever needing to drag Palps is a good indicator for Palps, but I think that can be seen as similar to how he becomes a Force Nexus activating Force Storm. His "true self" is much more powerful.