Vulcan -Vs - G.L Hal

Like others have said: it's not in character for Johns-era Hal to go into every battle with his 'God-will' fully activated.

-Sinestro
-Krona
-Volthoom
-Nekron
-Parallax
etc.

They were all beating Hal initially. It was only when his 'standard' wasn't good enough that he dialed-up his willpower enough to win. As far as I'm concerned, Hal's will is just as dynamic as Hulk's strength, but that's neither here nor there...

Point being: Hal can obviously win if his God-will is in full-swing. However, I believe it is also within Vulcan's ability to beat him before that ever happened.

It would have to be near instant for that to occur...and Galan, good list. I note that they are mostly above HHs, with Sinestro being one of the premier ringslingers.

Losing to people like Volthoom, Krona etc INITIALLY, is no bad showing for a mere HH 😛

Totally agree. But because those are the battles most are referencing, I felt like I should point out the specifics...

I agree with the point about his dynamic will. I wonder how full capacity, in this particular instance, would be treated. Genuine question.

Originally posted by carver9
Is this just a high end showing or were there other showings that proves he was operating above normal?

What's Hal's baseline willpower level? Baseline Hulk strength level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's Hal's baseline willpower level? Baseline Hulk strength level?

I'm asking if that's a one time showing.

Ah. Well, Galan has a nice little list of opponents Hal has beaten, all with great control of Lantern energy, all pretty much above HH level.

With his haxxed willpower.

Vulcan's a Low, right?

Edit: Also, what is your take on the full capacity rule here? If we take Gladiator as an example of another character whose powers depend on mindset, he starts off in a forum fight with full confidence levels. Hal too would have his willpower at full, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: Also, what is your take on the full capacity rule here? If we take Gladiator as an example of another character whose powers depend on mindset, he starts off in a forum fight with full confidence levels. Hal too would have his willpower at full, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I agree with the point about his dynamic will. I wonder how full capacity, in this particular instance, would be treated. Genuine question.

He'd shred through Vulcan effortlessly at peak levels. That's not even a question.

...But his standard level is a different story, imo.

thing is, hal has been BEATEN by plenty of people too, so the question is how often does his 'god-will' (heh, like that 👆 ) actually kick in? the list of beings who have beaten, or made him look bad is....a lot longer than the list of godly beings he HAS beaten. the same can be said of course for almost any character. i guess i would question how often we assume god-will hal shows up. imo it's gotta be less than half, which is why i still say vulcan has the advantage in this. not because hal CAN'T win, but rather because he just wouldn't go all out as often as some believe he might.

that of course is purely opinion based though. 👆

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Krona and Nekron showings were flat out amazing... I say Hal slightly more often than not.

The amazing-er part is that he owned/punked Nekron twice in the same comic. Once as a Black Lantern, and then again as a Green Lantern.

But tbf, that was the same issue which likened Hal's willpower to the very first spark of existence--the light of creation itself. The issue also stated that Hal was an even greater willpower nexus than the Central Battery... So when I said 'God-will', I meant it literally, lol.

...IOW, Johns wants Hal inside him. 👆

👆

It is ridiculous when you override a well established failsafe based on pure will. Blasting Krona was secondary to me.

The Nekron one was just nuts considering the kind of threat he posed during the Black Lantern ordeal. He basically enslaved an abstract.
😂

definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer

Superman is above abstract doe

Originally posted by leonidas
definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Johns GL isn't that powerful. That should tell you how powerful Johns Superman is.

😂

Geoff Johns has gone on record stating that

"The first blow against the Justice Leagues was against Superman -- who's the most powerful of them all, I think, spiritually and physically."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47514

Of course the only thing he had Superman aka God of Strength do is float around in the background during the entire Darkseid/Anti-Monitor God War saga.

Typical Johns really, though he did give Superman one moment to shine in Justice League #50 where everyone is blasting the new Darkseid Baby, Shazam, Flash, Mr. Miracle, Three GL's, and Superman. Darkseid Baby blows them all away with Omega Beams except Superman who is stalemating him with heat vision. That was the only Superman moment John's really gave him. Most of the Superman moments went to Ultraman vs Mobius. I'm curious where Johns ranks Ultraman in relation to his Superman.

Originally posted by Sensui
Geoff Johns has gone on record stating that

"The first blow against the Justice Leagues was against Superman -- who's the most powerful of them all, I think, spiritually and physically."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47514

Of course the only thing he had Superman aka God of Strength do is float around in the background during the entire Darkseid/Anti-Monitor God War saga.

Typical Johns really, though he did give Superman one moment to shine in Justice League #50 where everyone is blasting the new Darkseid Baby, Shazam, Flash, Mr. Miracle, Three GL's, and Superman. Darkseid Baby blows them all away with Omega Beams except Superman who is stalemating him with heat vision. That was the only Superman moment John's really gave him. Most of the Superman moments went to Ultraman vs Mobius. I'm curious where Johns ranks Ultraman in relation to his Superman.

You should see how often Alan and Hector were all but useless in JSA.

That was insanely impressive given how that baby had the power of ALE as well. He also tanked an omega beam too.

And all the while dying too.

Originally posted by leonidas
definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer

Double negative, so Hal has your vote!!