Full powered Shuma-Gorath vs. The Galacutus Machine

Originally posted by zopzop
But it is.

Its not like Galactus faced off against the Engine by himself. The Engine had to muscle through a host of Celestials, T&A, and Galactus. The others either fled or died and only Galactus was left fighting a losing battle.

If it was Galactus vs the Engine from the get go, Galactus would have been beaten into paste.

I agree that the GE was more powerful overall. However, if it was 'magnitudeS' more powerful than 616 Galactus, there would be no fight--it would destroy him effortlessly. He wouldn't be able to hold it off for any length of time.

Originally posted by Galan007
You misunderstand.

I agree that the GE was more powerful overall. However, if it was 'magnitudeS' more powerful than 616 Galactus, there would be no fight--it would destroy him effortlessly. He wouldn't be able to hold it off for any length of time.

He took on a battered Galactus Engine that had just got through fighting T&A, Galactus, and like 9-10 Celestials (that we can count on panel).

The most powerful version of Galactus on panel (prior to LifeGiver) had problems taking on 4 Celestials.

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. Just posting that because someone mentioned that the GE was "magnitudeS" greater than 616 Galactus. That doesn't seem to be the case if the scan I posted is to be believed.

Galactus wasn't doing shit but somewhat occupying it. He was buying others time, that's all.

Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you are saying Galan. But what I'm saying is, it's not like Galactus took on a fresh Galactus Engine as it just entered 616 reality by himself.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even though it was never alluded to on-panel that the GE's power had decreased at all, IF we assume it had, we must do the same for 616 Galactus' power. IOW, the difference between them would've still been proportional.

What??? No it wouldn't. GE wasn't focusing all of its power on Galactus, Galactus was focusing all of his power on the GE, as was all the other god like entities. It was inversely proportional.

Again, that's IF we even assume the GE's power had decreased by a significant margin. Personally, I don't think it had, otherwise we would have undoubtedly been informed of such on-panel.

I thought Shuma and the other Many-Angled Ones were the ones who created the Galactus Engine?

Why wouldn't Shuma stomp?

The MAOs were undoubtedly more powerful than the Galactus Engine--that much was explicitly stated:
http://i.imgur.com/w7U1JPD.jpg
"We are beginning to detect other entities behind the Galactus Engine. Larger, more powerful entities. Things that are preparing to follow the assault vanguard through the fault."

Shuma should definitely take this.

That pic of the Galactus Engine gets me hard every time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And I'm saying it was retarded for you to make that all encompassing, unnecessary statement. The question wasn't about any version of Galactus, it was about the Cancerverse Galactus Engine.

Lol. The Galactus engine is a dead alt reality Galactus...therefore he's a version of Galactus. Shuma (imho) can beat ANY version of Galactus. Not sure if you're this dumb irl or if its just part of your epersona.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol. The Galactus engine is a dead alt reality Galactus...therefore he's a version of Galactus. Shuma (imho) can beat ANY version of Galactus. Not sure if you're this dumb irl or if its just part of your epersona.

Dafuc is an epersona and why are you still talking stupidly? Your reply was just dumb, or did you forget? If you want to know why, wipe your drool and just scroll back.

Originally posted by zopzop
I get what you are saying Galan. But what I'm saying is, it's not like Galactus took on a fresh Galactus Engine as it just entered 616 reality by himself.

He took on a battered Galactus Engine that had just got through fighting T&A, Galactus, and like 9-10 Celestials (that we can count on panel).

The most powerful version of Galactus on panel (prior to LifeGiver) had problems taking on 4 Celestials.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you'd put them versions of Galactus above BCA Galactus?

He would absorb the GE like a piece of candy. Hell, I would probably put him above Lifebringer as well. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
BCA Galactus is the most powerful version to date, imo. Aside from devouring Tiamut like he was less than nothing, he also would have absorbed the Omniverse in its entirety had he not purposefully nullified himself.

He would absorb the GE like a piece of candy. Hell, I would probably put him above Lifebringer as well. /shrug

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you'd put them versions of Galactus above BCA Galactus?

Don't forget BCA Galactus had lots of stipulations to his "power" level. A) He was altered by Tiamut's power (while Tiamut was imprisoned by the way). B) Reed and crew could have ended his threat with the Shi'ar nukes till Tiamut sabotaged their efforts. C) He only devoured Tiamut because Tiamut was cut off from his power source. In that arc, like in mainstream MU, he was depowered and imprisoned by the other Celestials. The only reason he was up and about was because his Deviant servants set up machines to power him so he could get up from his coma. Reed found out about this and cut off his power source and he was running on fumes till they tricked him into getting eaten by Galactus.

Originally posted by Galan007

BCA Galactus is the most powerful version to date, imo. Aside from devouring Tiamut like he was less than nothing, he also would have absorbed the Omniverse in its entirety had he not purposefully nullified himself.

He would absorb the GE like a piece of candy. Hell, I would probably put him above Lifebringer as well. /shrug

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dafuc is an epersona and why are you still talking stupidly? Your reply was just dumb, or did you forget? If you want to know why, wipe your drool and just scroll back.

Originally posted by Galan007
BCA Galactus is the most powerful version to date, imo. Aside from devouring Tiamut like he was less than nothing, he also would have absorbed the Omniverse in its entirety had he not purposefully nullified himself.

He would absorb the GE like a piece of candy. Hell, I would probably put him above Lifebringer as well. /shrug

Was BCA more powerful than LPS? Iirc they should be peers

Originally posted by zopzop

A) He was altered by Tiamut's power (while Tiamut was imprisoned by the way).

But this had nothing to do with Galactus' personal ability to absorb.

Normal Galactus chooses not to absob more cause it's not in his need or interest.

Originally posted by zopzop

B) Reed and crew could have ended his threat with the Shi'ar nukes till Tiamut sabotaged their efforts.

And if you post a scan, I'll have to read the arc again cause this makes no sense.

I'm sure there's a circumstantial stipulation if this were true.

Originally posted by zopzop

C) He only devoured Tiamut because Tiamut was cut off from his power source. In that arc, like in mainstream MU, he was depowered and imprisoned by the other Celestials. The only reason he was up and about was because his Deviant servants set up machines to power him so he could get up from his coma. Reed found out about this and cut off his power source and he was running on fumes till they tricked him into getting eaten by Galactus.

Regardless though, imo, eating all of space-time is a far greater feat.

BCA was on his way to eat the Omniverse had he not stopped himself in that moment of clarity.

I would say "hyperbole" .. but this potentiality was confirmed across 3 separate arcs/titles. (FF/Avengers/GOTG)

That, and the fact that he was artistically depicted eating space-time with no end alluded.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That "alteration" ... was making Galactus's hunger insatiable.

But this had nothing to do with Galactus' personal ability to absorb.

Normal Galactus chooses not to absob more cause it's not in his need or interest.

I realize Galactus was dying on Earth while this happened but Tiamut was depowered and imprisoned. Tiamut 'dreamed him whole but altered". A monstrous feat for a depowered being.

I don't recall this.

And if you post a scan, I'll have to read the arc again cause this makes no sense.

I'm sure there's a circumstantial stipulation if this were true.

I believe I remember something like this, but I have to re-chack to confirm its validity.

Regardless though, imo, eating all of space-time is a far greater feat.

BCA was on his way to eat the Omniverse had he not stopped himself in that moment of clarity.

I would say "hyperbole" .. but this potentiality was confirmed across 3 separate arcs/titles. (FF/Avengers/GOTG)

That, and the fact that he was artistically depicted eating space-time with no end alluded.

And Tiamut was depowered and running out of power when he was sucked into Galactus' black hole. The crypt engines allowed him to be up and about :

Once Gladiator used Shi'ar tech to destroy the crypt, he was running on fumes :

BCA Galactus is horribly overrated. Hell it took him something like 20 years to get where he was power wise when the FF first encountered him.

^^ Those scannned links don't work, so I can't read any of it.
The links send you to a page with other unrelated thumblinks concerning celebs/whatnot.

I will re-read the arc though and return. You know I will.

"Highly overrated" though? Damn ... I'd call that an overstatement.