Full powered Shuma-Gorath vs. The Galacutus Machine

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Those scannned links don't work, so I can't read any of it.
The links send you to a page with other unrelated thumblinks concerning celebs/whatnot.

I will re-read the arc though and return. You know I will.

"Highly overrated" though? Damn ... I'd call that an overstatement.

Here you go; did the links for you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Those scannned links don't work, so I can't read any of it.
The links send you to a page with other unrelated thumblinks concerning celebs/whatnot.

I will re-read the arc though and return. You know I will.

"Highly overrated" though? Damn ... I'd call that an overstatement.

Let's compare BCA Galactus to other characters that had a similar method of destruction for the universe.

1) Anomaly Maelstrom : His super massive black hole would have destroyed the universe in 24-48 hours till Quasar backed by the power of Infinity stopped him via trickery. Galactus, the Prime Celestial Host, an army of Watchers and members of various galactic level empires just stood by and watched because they were powerless to stop it.

2) Nekron empowered Krona : He was causing the universe to collapse into a singularity and despite the effort of the Guardians of the Universe (they weren't a joke at that time and were actively fighting against the universal crunch) he would have succeeded in a few hours if the dead GLs didn't cause a rebellion in his realm that he had to deal with (which then caused the Guardians of the Universe to seal the entrance to his realm).

Now compare to BCA Galactus. Tiamut healed him and altered his hunger so it was exponential. Despite this, DECADES passed (you can date this because the leader of the Shia'r empire in that timeline is Xavier and Lilandra's son) and he still hadn't destroyed the universe. He even created a machine to help him devour all this energy. During all this, NOT ONE cosmic entity deemed it worth their time to check out what was going on in that sector of space he was devouring. Even worse, the closest galactic level empire, the Shi'ar didn't even realize he was in the vicinity till Reed pointed it out to them!

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EDIT : can someone test the links I posted in my previous post? I'm not sure why they aren't working for Mr. M.

I think alot of people are forgetting the reason the engine did so well was because it couldn't die. since death was no longer apart of its universe,

Originally posted by zopzop

They could have stopped him and probably even killed him outright if Tiamut didn't step in to save the day.

Not sure where you're getting this "probably could have killed" him stuff from..? srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
The scan clearly states that because the bombs were capable of releasing the total binding energy of atoms, they "MAY" be able to hurt Galactus... That's literally all we were told.

Not sure where you're getting this "probably could have killed" him stuff from..? srsly

^ That's ambiguous, though.

It could simply mean that those uber-as-f*ck bombs could have potentially destroyed the machine that was making Galactus' hunger insatiable, thus preventing him from fulfilling Tiamut's plan of devouring existence, thus 'disrupting' the future. /shrug

But given that Galactus easily absorbed the energy of that same weaponry after it was detonated, it's hard for me to believe they would have killed him outright.

Originally posted by Galan007

But given that Galactus easily absorbed the energy of those bombs after they were detonated, it's really hard for me to believe they would have killed him outright.

"The Celestial wiped out the entire Shi'ar arsenal and the sum of it's energy is being consumed by Galactus!" 😉

EDIT :
I forgot to respond to this :

It could simply mean that those uber-as-f*ck bombs could have potentially destroyed the machine that was making Galactus' hunger insatiable, thus preventing him from fulfilling Tiamut's plan of devouring existence, thus 'disrupting' the future. /shrug

I realize they were detonated prior to hitting Galactus, yes. However, he still easily absorbed the sum total of their energies(as the scan states.)

Again, that's why it's hard to imagine those same energies killing Galactus outright.

Originally posted by zopzop
The machine had nothing to do with his hunger. That was altered by Tiamut. The machine was helping him devour the universe. No machine, no threat.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27847006/4._needed_machine.jpg.html
"He's constructed a machine to help him devour the universe!"

...or is this one of those things where you're arguing just to argue..?

Originally posted by Galan007
I realize they were detonated prior to hitting Galactus, yes. However, he still easily absorbed the sum total of their energies(as the scan states.)

Again, that's why it's hard to imagine those same energies killing Galactus outright.

Recap : those nukes would have ended the threat one way or another. Period. Hence Tiamut's direct intervention.

You're moving goalposts.

I agree the bombs may have been able to destroy the machine, which would have halted Galactus' absorption-frenzy, which would have cockblocked Tiamut's machinations... I already said as much a few posts ago, lol.

But earlier you said the bombs would have "probably killed" Galactus himself. Given Tony's assertion that the bombs "may" have only be able to "hurt" Galactus, coupled with the fact that he absorbed the sum total of their energies after they had detonated, and I really don't think that would've been the case at all... Which is my only point. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

But earlier you said that the bombs would have "probably killed" Galactus. Given that he absorbed the sum total of their energies after they had detonated, I really don't think that would've been the case at all... Which is my only point. 🙂

On panel, Iron Man said they 'may' hurt Galactus. On panel, Tiamut's computer was in a panic and said a "disruption in Galactus' future was imminent". What else could that mean? If it was merely the machine being destroyed, why couldn't Galactus remake it? Something more would have happened to Galactus, something that he couldn't recover from and it would have ended Tiamut's plans.

Originally posted by zopzop
On panel, Tiamut's computer was in a panic and said a "disruption in Galactus' future was imminent". What else could that mean?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That's ambiguous, though.

It could simply mean that those uber-as-f*ck bombs could have potentially destroyed the machine that was making Galactus' hunger insatiable, thus preventing him from fulfilling Tiamut's plan of devouring existence, thus 'disrupting' the future. /shrug

Originally posted by zopzop
If it was merely the machine being destroyed, why couldn't Galactus remake it?

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes because Tiamut's intervention caused the energies to be FED to him via the black hole. They didn't blow up in his face.

What's more deadly: injecting poison straight into your veins, or sprinkling poison on the outside of your arm?

Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, why would Galactus remake the machine? It's not like he wanted to be an existence-devouring puppet, lol.

BCA Galactus was nothing without his machine. That's my other issue. Without the Machine there would be NO threat to the universe/multiverse/omniverse.

Even more laughable, the machine was the size of a galaxy.

Yet the actual black hole was only the size of a star!

How long did it take him to get to that level of power? TWENTY YEARS since his healing and alteration by Tiamut!

Twenty phucking years and the universe was still standing and the nearest galactic level empire completely unaware of Galactus' presence or his machine! 😆

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he NEEDED to feed. He couldn't control his hunger. That was the WHOLE point of the story!

Anywho, despite your numerous attempts to move goalposts, the fact still remains that the bombs logically would not have killed Galactus like you originally claimed. That is all. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, as made clear at the end of the story when Galactus...you know...nullified himself, he would rather DIE than continue absorbing shit endlessly. So if the machine were destroyed, he obviously wouldn't recreate it, lol.

Anywho, despite your numerous attempts to move goalposts, the fact still remains that the bombs logically would not have killed Galactus like you originally claimed. That is all. 🙂

Zop, you didn't even thank OAS for his scans, you ungrateful wretch.

Reported.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. He only sought to kill himself when the FF temporarily granted him sanity by feeding him extra energy :

In his crazed state all he could think of was consuming. Without the machine (which was chewing up the universe and feeding it to him piece by piece) he'd be phucked.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll stick to what was said and suggested on panel.

Because on panel it was stated that the uber-bombs "MAY" only be able to "HURT" Galactus. It was NEVER stated they would kill him outright, like you originally said. Moreover, Galactus absorbed the SUM TOTAL of the bombs' energies when they were detonated, and certainly showed no ill-effect afterward. IOW, all signs point to Galactus being unaffected by the bombs, even IF they would have made external contact... The machine may have been another story, but I never suggested otherwise. 🙂

*I was going to respond to the rest of your posts now that I'm back home, but frankly, the bulk of it is just you trying to lowball and switch goalposts. So...

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zop, you didn't even thank OAS for his scans, you ungrateful wretch.

Reported.

Spoiler:
j/k Scot. U awesome. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool.

Because on panel it was stated that the uber-bombs "MAY" only be able to "HURT" Galactus. It was NEVER stated they would kill him outright, like you originally said. Moreover, Galactus absorbed the sum total of the bombs' energies when they were detonated. IOW, all signs point to Galactus himself being relatively unaffected by the bombs... The machine might be another story, but I never suggested otherwise. 🙂

*I was going to respond to the rest of your post, but frankly, it's just you trying to lowball and switch goalposts again.

The nukes WERE a threat to Galactus. As we saw, Tiamut's computer went into panic mode as soon as Reed's plan looked like it was gonna take off.

Think about it. Why would that be?

Which one of these scenarios makes sense in light of the panic from Tiamut's computer servant?

a) If the bombs went off and destroyed his machine but Galactus was unharmed, he could have just reconstructed the machine (he was the one that built). His hunger was uncontrollable and despite his rabid state he was capable of making the machine in the first place. So at worst, this would just have delayed Tiamut's plan (it already took Galactus 20 years to get where he was at in that story arc).

Would this constitute a panic on the servant machine's part?

And regarding him not wanting to devour everything : As we saw, the only thing that shocked him back to sanity was big bursts of power (they satiated his hunger momentarily). That's the reason he killed himself, he was sane at the time Reed handed the Nullifier over to him. If he was rabid, he would never have used the Nullifier and would be too busy focusing on his hunger.

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b) The bombs went off and destroyed the machines AND injured/killed Galactus. There goes Tiamut's plan. The machine would risk it's master's wrath by waking him early to intervene so he could save his plan for universal conquest.

Those bombs WERE a threat to him otherwise the machine wouldn't risk Tiamut's wrath by waking him early.

What on earth makes you think he could rebuild a piece of very complex tech in his 'crazed state', lol?

You're right, I'm definitely getting bored talking in circles, so this will be my later post on the subject...

Originally posted by zopzop
Those bombs WERE a threat to him otherwise the machine wouldn't risk Tiamut's wrath by waking him early.

However, other than Tiamut's computer system ambiguously freaking out, there is literally NO hard evidence suggestive of the bombs being able to kill Galactus like you first claimed. To the contrary, the fact that he absorbed the SUM TOTAL of the the bombs' energies after they were detonated...without even a slight pause...tells me everything I need to know. Like I said above: consuming said energies would logically have a far more pronounced(and rapid) effect on Galactus then if they would have merely struck him externally.

What's more deadly: injecting poison straight into your veins, or sprinkling poison on the outside of your arm?

Originally posted by zopzop
His hunger was insatiable since Tiamut healed and altered him yet he managed to build that galaxy sized machine. His sole focus was on feasting. He would have rebuilt it.

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All of this BS aside, BCA Galactus, as a whole, was one of(if not THE) the most powerful versions of the character to date, imo--and he certainly had the greatest stated potential(Omniversal.) The fact that the only feasible way of stopping him by the end of the arc was for him to nullify himself(and that entire universe) speaks volumes, imo.

But again: not interested in discussing this side of things further. You have your opinions and I have mine. We can just leave it at that. 👆