Originally posted by Selenial
I mean, three different sources vs one? The gravity is crushing.And the Exile's party being there doesn't really change much. The fact it's crushing still exists, they simply fought through it too. Difference is they didn't face the academy, since Traya wanted to capture them herself as bait. Not to mention the fact every fight they fought, they fought as four.
Do remember they're each powerful Jedi, essentially master level at this point, since they rebuilt the order.
Edit: also what guide mentions a normal gravity?
The Kotor Campaign Guide, under the planets section.
....Ok so if they can fight through it, then why can't others? It doesn't seem as soul shattering as it's being made out to be.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What source did you give that proved that? You just gave your opinion. But considering it's outright stated by that Jedi Council you keep trying to wank, I'll won't hold my breath regardless.
I provided a source, from the same Jedi Council, stating that the deaths and bonds were restoring her connection to the Force.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Give.
Me.
The.
Source.If it's already in this thread, or somewhere else, you should have no problem providing it to me.
Dialogue in KotOR can vary, some minor word cqn be change but can have great meaning inpact if you consider the indept meaning of every sentence....
If you played the game 3/5 time some dialogs can change....
You choice being DS, LS, male or female, Revan Being Male or female, DS or LS...
Your stats. The way you act in a dialogue, your previous choices....
Good luck tpo find the sources....
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You went full AP with that master level bullshit, and you know it. I mean there's a giant ****ing holocron in the Jedi Temple, for god's sake. And of course them being there helps, when she siphers power from all of them.
Depending on the era, yeh, they've accomplished feats that Jedi masters haven't.
Visas was the most powerful Sith in Nihilus' employ, given her status as his Shadow Hand. The Handmaiden went toe-to-toe with Atris and beat down all of her sisters (incidentally restraining herself so as not to kill them.) Atton was taking down Jedi before he'd even realised his own force sensitivity, and after that has got some decent melee feats (like taking on two of the most infamous bounty hunters of his time). He also beat Sion....
So no, I don't know it.
Her trying to free her friends is literally stated to weaken her in her trials against Traya, Traya explains to Sion that leaving them to die would leave her with more strength in the final showdown. This the only logical explanation is that (since the bond works both ways) they were drawing off her, if anyone was drawing from anyone.
Nice try though 🙂
Originally posted by Zenwolf
The Kotor Campaign Guide, under the planets section.....Ok so if they can fight through it, then why can't others? It doesn't seem as soul shattering as it's being made out to be.
So you're suggesting your opinion is greater than two seperate canon sources? mmm
We have fortified canonical information as to exactly what it does to people. To suggest it doesn't do what two sources suggest it does, simply because the Exile's party survived, is farcical. It simply makes their feat better.
Oh, and the remote was designed specifically for its job on Malachor, hence it working.
Originally posted by Selenial
So you're suggesting your opinion is greater than two seperate canon sources? mmmWe have fortified canonical information as to exactly what it does to people. To suggest it doesn't do what two sources suggest it does, simply because the Exile's party survived, is farcical. It simply makes their feat better.
Oh, and the remote was designed specifically for its job on Malachor, hence it working.
It's not my opinion? The Guide says right there, Standard Gravity.
So if the whole party can survive it's suppose crushing effects, along with whatever else it has, I'm not seeing why others can't.
Yet you guys seem to think it's something only Suirk can do.
Originally posted by Selenial
Depending on the era, yeh, they've accomplished feats that Jedi masters haven't.Visas was the most powerful Sith in Nihilus' employ, given her status as his Shadow Hand. The Handmaiden went toe-to-toe with Atris and beat down all of her sisters (incidentally restraining herself so as not to kill them.)
Atton was taking down Jedi before he'd even realised his own force sensitivity,
and after that has got some decent melee feats (like taking on two of the most infamous bounty hunters of his time).
He also beat Sion....
So no, I don't know it.
And since her trying to free her friends is literally stated to weaken her in her trials against Traya,
the only logical explanation is that (since the bond works both ways) they were drawing off her, if anyone was drawing from anyone.
Nice try though 🙂
Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's not my opinion? The Guide says right there, Standard Gravity.So if the whole party can survive it's suppose crushing effects, along with whatever else it has, I'm not seeing why others can't.
Are you sure it's not talking about Malachor, pre-MSG? Since that's what caused the gravitational anomalies.
Where has anyone suggested others can't survive it? As far as I know, no ones said that. What we're discussing is her ability to fight a legion of Sith Assassins, Storm Beasts, Traya and Sion on said planet. They had the Dark Side Nexus to keep them going during her trials, she did not, ergo it was more difficult for her to fight on the planet than them.
It's likely why most Jedi who landed on the planet succumbed to the Dark Side, it was intensely difficult to survive without doing it.
Originally posted by Selenial
Are you sure it's not talking about Malachor, pre-MSG? Since that's what caused the gravitational anomalies.Where has anyone suggested others can't survive it? As far as I know, no ones said that. What we're discussing is her ability to fight a legion of Sith Assassins, Storm Beasts, Traya and Sion on said planet. They had the Dark Side Nexus to keep them going during her trials, she did not, ergo it was more difficult for her to fight on the planet than them.
It's likely why most Jedi who landed on the planet succumbed to the Dark Side, it was intensely difficult to survive without doing it.
Well I'm sure the guide is speaking of Malachor as it is, as I think it'd be pointless to describe a world that is no longer even the same thing and it makes mention of how it's destroyed by the Mass Shadow Generator.
/Shrug
Well I just seem to take I guess, that Surik surviving it says that others can't. With how it's thrown out.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Her Force deaf sisters. Also, I like how getting shit on in the Force is impressive and beyond Jedi Masters.He was trained to covertly kill them, not face them in actual fights.
Damn, bounty hunters?!
Who Meetra shit on four times, while he was immortal, and after she went through the Academy and freed her friends. Yeah, that's more of a point against Sion than one in his favor.
Then you are blind.
Because Traya doesn't believe in self-sacrifice.
She has nothing for them to draw off of being a black hole of death and everything.
It was ceraintly better than your attempt.
Can't be assed to quote breakdown on my phone, deal with it.
You're pretty ****ing retarded if you think the fact they're Force-Deaf makes the feat worthless. They're echani, some of the greatest Melee combatants in the galaxy, and were trained by a high level master of numerous forms of Lightsaber combat. The Handmaiden didn't use the force offensively, given that's not what she believed in and she had to restrain herself so as not to kill them.
And yes, Stalemating Atris in bladework only to get ruined by Force Lightning is a master level feat, considering Atris is far above master level herself. I don't know why you seem to believe Jedi Master's are some unstoppable force.
Your Sion shit is beyond circular logic. "Atton is shit, because Sion is shit, because Sion got beat by Meetra. Meetra's shit, beating Sion means nothing because Sion is shit." ****ing A+ debating today, Freshest.
Traya not believing in self sacrifice is irrelevant. She explicitly states it would weaken Surik and make her easier to kill, that's not disagreeing with her methods, it's stating a fact. You're actually summing this up right, by saying Self Sacrifice. If the exile was drawing from them as you say, then leaving them to die leaves her without a power source, and she should fall to Traya far easier. So you're quite literally defeating yourself. Again, some A+ tier logic from you.
I also love that you completely ignore the stuff about Visas, because you have no counter for it.
Totally better than my "attempt" 🙂