Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, you ARE mistaken. When this started out, he didn't condemn Islam for it's barbaric beliefs at all, all he did was try to draw a parallel between Catholicism and Islam (and then relating them to be causal to tragedies like this) through a huge leap of logic, he essentially used this vile act to spout his hate (Catholicism, btw, has made major strides throughout the years/decades/centuries regarding being tolerant, even inclusive towards the LBGT community). And FYI, homosexuality = death penalty isn't simply a "religion" issue, it is more a socio-political issue. For as far I as I know there are actually actually countries that are dominated by Abrahamic religions that DO NOT practice the death penalty on gays, mine included.And ppl are allowed to condemn whatever they want, I don't care as long as it doesn't unjustly include things that are important to me. And I'm not (at this moment) inclined to chime in or defend anything that I don't really care about. That is my right. As I have the right to defend my own beliefs if some immature hypocrite starts dissing it for no reason, especially when it is completely not even remotely involved in this tragedy or the topic at hand.
You're trying to repackage what he did/say to make it seem less vile, but you are grossly inaccurate in your assessment.
And FYI, views and actions are 2 different things. Ppl are allowed their "views" for as long as they do not act on it to hurt/harm/oppress others. As thoughts =/= actions. The difference becomes important as we should condemn those who act on their views/beliefs/thoughts to hurt/harm/oppress/etc (such as the shooter here) but be tolerant of others' beliefs even when we do not agree with it.
Owned, Rob is a coward and a troll. Can't even respond with anyhting, he will do anything noteworthy and just plays to cover and downplay for his but buddies B42 and mommasboylestov.
Originally posted by Robtard
I read back, wasn't mistakenAnyhow, the ISIS link seems dubious; while ISIS took credit, this shitbird didn't have actual ties. Im sure more well be known soon enough.
So him pledging allegiance to ISIS, swearing loyalty to Ali Bagdadi, driving 2 hours to go to a club, locking the backdoor, showing up 30 min before closing. Yea its a lone wolf alright.
Nice try and downplaying.
Its already been confirmed he was telling people his uncle was Osama bin Laden and its alleged that he knew the Tsarnaev brothers.
He beat his wife.
He was speaking about radical terrorism at work to co workers, he intimidated and stalked one of his co workers who ended up having to quit cause the company did not want to fire a muslim in fear of lawsuit.
He was interviewed by the FBI twice once in 2013, and once in 2014. His father is a nutjob that claims to be the president of Afghanistan.
Im sure its an a lone "shitbird"
Originally posted by Robtard
I read back, wasn't mistaken
Then your reading comprehension is questionable.
First few pages alone:
His second post in this thread lumps Catholicism and Islam together then assigns causality of this kind of vile act to both (when Catholicism is not even remotely a part of this topic or even related anywhere near to this tragedy).
His fourth post equates gay marraige protests to terrorist mass murder.
His eightth reply, an attempt to justify his comparisons because since gays are involved, then it is ok to paint in broad strokes and throw Catholicism (w/c is nowhere near involved in this topic) in here, too.
That is not a call for "equal criticism on equal acts of barbarism", that is attributing blame of a vile act to an innocent group of ppl due to an extremely loose, highly dubious "guilty by distant association" leap of logic. Most likely caused by his own bigotry.
So maybe you should re-read before you claim "not mistaken" because you are very mich mistaken.
The post you're having a problem with of his notes that this was the largest religion-based hate crime, that's not praise. Then he makes a general note of how homophobia is wrong, but since he noted Christianity too(because you know, Leviticus is part of the bible) you kneejerked.
But you're set to believe what you want, why I tried to move on.
Originally posted by Robtard
The post you're having aproblem with of his notes that this was the largest religion-based hate crime, that's not praise. Then he makes a general note of how homophobia is wrong, but since he noted Christianity too(because you know, Leviticus is part of the bible) you kneejerjed.
Wrong again, and it's "knee jerked", retard.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You sure about that?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html
Originally posted by Robtard
The post you're having a problem with of his notes that this was the largest religion-based hate crime, that's not praise. Then he makes a general note of how homophobia is wrong, but since he noted Christianity too(because you know, Leviticus is part of the bible) you kneejerked.But you're set to believe what you want, why I tried to move on.
At no time did I say he "praised" anything.
He didn't note that homophobia "was wrong" he specifically accused the Quran and the Bible (and by extension, Islam and Catholicism) of homophobia and then directly attributed them to these kind of tragedies.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Hopefully this will show the world that the homophobia of the Quran and the Bible only leads to hate, which leads to tragedies like this.
I can maybe understand him pointing out some anti-gay passages in the Bible (whose interpretation has evolved thru the centuries to be more tolerant and accepting) in a separate topic that specifically tackles religion and homophobia. But attributing the Bible to a terrorist act (when it is not even involved in this at all) because it has a few disagreeable passages he doesn't like is f*cked up.
But go ahead and defend your little buddy and try to downplay what he did if that what helps you sleep at night.
lestov is a loser in life. we need to all ignore him. he is a scumbag, government assistance receiver, unemployed "man", ignorant, piece of human garbage.
what kind of shiit says the ignorance he says? a low-life is what does that. he doesn't work. he doesn't contribute to society in any way. he could be looking for a part-time job but instead is spending it's time constantly posting here.
think about it. it's not worth it
Most Muslims are not terrorists; this is all terribly sad. True Muslims should not argue with anyone in Ramadan; that is part of Ramadan.
This man was a steroid-jacked, Walter Mitty he was not part of Daesh.
The hate for a whole group is wrong, what the Jews do in Palestine is wrong, what the Americans and Europeans have done destabilising an entire region for oil is wrong.
All murder and death are wrong.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
At no time did I say he "praised" anything.He didn't note that homophobia "was wrong" he specifically accused the Quran and the Bible (and by extension, Islam and Catholicism) of homophobia and then directly attributed them to these kind of tragedies.
I can maybe understand him pointing out some anti-gay passages in the Bible (whose interpretation has evolved thru the centuries to be more tolerant and accepting) in a separate topic that specifically tackles religion and homophobia. But attributing the Bible to a terrorist act (when it is not even involved in this at all) because it has a few disagreeable passages he doesn't like is f*cked up.
But go ahead and defend your little buddy and try to downplay what he did if that what helps you sleep at night.
Lol. So you think I specifically said the Bible motivated Mateen, or was I just using the Bible as a rhetorical example of scripture with homophobic passages? If you think of me, a Zoroastrian with a devout Christian family who regularly goes to church, as anti-Christian, then you clearly misunderstand me.
My main point is that fundamentalist scripture can not be used for homophobia or any other human rights violations, which is what many fanatics, Muslims and Christians both (shown by people like Omar Mateen and Kim Davis) use to justify their intolerance and hate. Do you not agree that just because Leviticus says homophobic things, it should not be used to justify homophobic acts? Because that's the only point I'm trying to make.
Or do you disagree? Are you saying intolerance based on scripture is acceptable? I'm trying to understand how our viewpoints differ because I don't see any difference besides you misunderstanding my point.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, you ARE mistaken. When this started out, he didn't condemn Islam for it's barbaric beliefs at all, all he did was try to draw a parallel between Catholicism and Islam
That makes no sense. Of course I condemned Islamic homophobia. My first post specifically mentioned the Quran. You're just upset because I mentioned all other Abrahamic religions used to justify homophobia as well, including yours, but it's not my fault the Bible has homophobic scripture that fanatics use to justify their intolerance. I didn't write the Bible.
But yeah, I blamed all religious fanaticism and homophobia, of all Abrahamic religions, for this attack. As I've stated time and again, every ideology has opportunists and extremists, and I am not against any ideology itself, only the extremists/opportunists who abuse ideologies to harm others.
And yes, Christianity DOES have extremists/opportunists who use fundamentalist scripture to justify their homophobic intolerance, and yes, I do blame these fundamentalist Christians just as much as Muslims for this attack. I view Kim Davis just as responsible as Mateen for this attack. Again, unless you're justifying her fanatic homophobia, I don't see how you can disagree.
Again, my main point is that no ideology can be used to justify the infliction of suffering and adversity. People saying they're homophobic because God wants them to be shouldn't be viewed as actual religious practitioners but rather as fanatics/opportunists. Or do you believe religious homophobia has divine legitimacy?