Originally posted by Bardock42
He literally said "If the choice is between taking rights from [b]citizen for the non citizens, progressives chose the non citizen." [/B]
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Gays having freedoms here are in jeopody because of an foreign non American ideology
Originally posted by Lestov16
Non citizen? Omar was a natural-born American
Yes, I pointed that out as well.
I presume that TI was thinking of Trump's proposed ban on Muslims coming to the US, though he didn't communicate it, and again, this case is not related to that, because the perpetrator was a US citizen.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I pointed that out as well.I presume that TI was thinking of Trump's proposed ban on Muslims coming to the US, though he didn't communicate it, and again, this case is not related to that, because the perpetrator was a US citizen.
"Muslim communities are “absolutely not reporting” suspected terrorists and need to “open up to society”,
Like in here:
He clearly tackles the issue of Islam as not confined to borders only.
Originally posted by Lestov16
What is a foreign ideology compared to a natural one? Islam is Middle Eastern in origin just as Christianity is Roman in origin. Neither are "natural ideologies" to the USUnless you mean secular humanism. I would agree that secularism is America's chief ideology
You are literally clueless. America was settled by Christian religious groups, just to name a few: Pilgrims, Puritans, Quakers and so on and its roots are deeply ingrained in Christian morality and social mores.
Are you...like...embarassingly not familiar at all with your own history?
Christianity is indigenous to America as the US was created by Christians mostly. No buddists, no muslims.
In other words,
Spoiler:
the establishment of the US was not due to Obama's virgin birth.
In this day and age all those religions and ideologies came into the US which was already established.
mmm TBH you made me type all of that but I am pretty sure you are just trolling 👆
Originally posted by Lestov16
Which goes to the issue I'm bringing up. Is he really proposing violating the first amendment to ban the world's second largest religion? I dont think that is going to end well
I've heard him amend that to ban anyone that is on the FBI watch list or has ANY link to terrorism, although I would think that's common sense. Also, where did you get that secular humanism was the US chief ideology? Secular Humanism isn't a majority idealogy in this country (thank god). It was never a natural ideology here.
Originally posted by Stigma
Oh God.You are literally clueless. America was settled by Christian religious groups, just to name a few: Pilgrims, Puritans, Quakers and so on and its roots are deeply ingrained in Christian morality and social mores.
Are you...like...embarassingly not familiar at all with your own history?
Christianity is indigenous to America as the US was created by Christians mostly. No buddists, no muslims.
In other words,Spoiler:
the establishment of the US was not due to Obama's virgin birth.In this day and age all those religions and ideologies came into the US which was already established.
mmm TBH you made me type all of that but I am pretty sure you are just trolling 👆
If we're playing that game, America's natural ideology must be the polytheistic spirtualism of the native Americans, going by your standards
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I've heard him amend that to ban anyone that is on the FBI watch list or has ANY link to terrorism, although I would think that's common sense. Also, where did you get that secular humanism was the US chief ideology? Secular Humanism isn't a majority idealogy in this country (thank god). It was never a natural ideology here.
Conspiracy nuts would say the government would enact legislation to stop people on a terrorist watch list from buying guns then put more and more people on the watchlist for arbitrary reasons such as looking online for guns to buy.
Originally posted by Lestov16
If we're playing that game, America's natural ideology must be the polytheistic spirtualism of the native Americans, going by your standards
I think we all know that America we're discussing is the United States of America. Don't try to appear dumber than you are... Or do. It's actually amusing 👆
Originally posted by jaden101Once again, conspiracy nuts are a minority. I don't think Obama is trying to take my guns. I think he's completely misguided and deluded but he's also extremely intelligent and he has a point with stricter gun laws.
Conspiracy nuts would say the government would enact legislation to stop people on a terrorist watch list from buying guns then put more and more people on the watchlist for arbitrary reasons such as looking online for guns to buy.
Originally posted by Lestov16
What is a foreign ideology compared to a natural one? Islam is Middle Eastern in origin just as Christianity is Roman in origin. Neither are "natural ideologies" to the USUnless you mean secular humanism. I would agree that secularism is America's chief ideology
Islam is trying to take over the world, just look at Europe, why do you want that to come here? They kill gay people. Why do you want that here?
We live in a shitty world where tribalistic competion over nations and religions still exist when our technology could give us a surplus of food, medicine, and energy to satisfy everyone's needs without scarcity. Sadly, we're animals though and clearly we'll never abandon our animal ways.
So that's why ISIS exists, why you all are so nationalistic. Just humans being our animal selves.
This article making it's way on Facebook by Dr. Yasir Qadhi, should put the kibosh on this being viewed as Islamic Terrorism. It's more like the 1989 Montreal Massacre.
Yasir Qadhi
Yesterday at 3:49am ·
'It has now been confirmed, by multiple sources, that Omar Mateen, the shooter in the Orlando massacre, was himself gay. He frequently visited the same club that he committed the massacre in, and he attempted to initiate dates on a famous gay-dating app.
Additionally, he was born and raised in America.
His wife, father and community have all claimed that he was not religious in the slightest.
Multiple eyewitness reports indicate that he would get drunk at the very club he committed the massacre in, and would have to be kicked out because of his unruly behavior.
Colleagues and acquaintances have mentioned that he was a loner, a social introvert, and prone to make violent statements and threats against other people.
His wife left him because he beat her and was physically abusive.
Yet, the media continues to ask questions about 'radical Islam' and about Islam's stance on homosexuality. What blatant hypocrisy!
He wasn't a 'radical Muslim'.
He was a mentally deranged psychopathic American closet homosexual who was battling with his sexual identity.
Instead of concentrating on his mental issues, and on the easy gun laws that our country is notorious for, politicians and media pundits wish to cast all of that aside, and choose the easier target of questioning his faith, and of Islam's stance on sexual issues.
The guy was mental, plain and simple. Islam's stance on homosexuality is IRRELEVANT to this massacre, period.'
Originally posted by Lestov16
We live in a shitty world where tribalistic competion over nations and religions still exist when our technology could give us a surplus of food, medicine, and energy to satisfy everyone's needs without scarcity. Sadly, we're animals though and clearly we'll never abandon our animal ways.So that's why ISIS exists, why you all are so nationalistic. Just humans being our animal selves.
There are different types of nationalisms, though:
Positive:
- American nationalism is what establisehd the US.
- Jewish nationalism is what made them survive despite not having the nation-state for centuries.
Negative:
- Germany and its National socialism a.k.a. Nazis, so basically the idea that Deutsche uber Alles, so subjugation of other nations.
- British Imperialism as a form of nationalism, a belief that British are superior to others and can subjugate them. Can be seen as a form of racism too.
Notice that in the negative examples, the main problem with nationalism is the notion of "subjugation of others".
But as a healthy pride and love of the country, nationalism can be a positive force.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Islam is trying to take over the world, just look at Europe, why do you want that to come here? They kill gay people. Why do you want that here?
Its not Islam. Its just barbarism under an assumed name. As I stated, the Quran itself denounces several things ISIS is doing. It should be remembered that several of the main members of ISIS aren't former Al Qaeda, but former Baathist Hussein soldiers.
It is also important to remember that conditions in Iraq are not like here. We've never had airstrikes kill our loved ones as collateral damage. Also remember that Saddam was a violent dictator, and violent oppression created violent resistance.
Also note that just as Christianity is divided into different sects such as Catholic and Protestant, so are Muslims. ISIS are Sunnis who HATE Shia and Sufi Muslims, so to ban all Muslims would be to leave Shia and Sufi Muslims to be slaughtered by ISIS without protection.
Also, no I don't want Islam and it's terrorism here. Neither do I want Christianity and it's homophobia here. However that pesky 1st amendment means I have to be tolerant of other people's beliefs regardless of what I think. Hell, as I stated earlier, I think Islam (and all other Abrahamic religions) are the Word of God corrupted by The Devil. I'm not atheistic, but any religion based on a guy who thinks killing his son for no reason is a divine virtue is bound to induce fanaticism.
No its not just bararism, Syria, Libya, Saudia Arabia,Qatar, Egypt, Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, the Maldives, Pakistan, Yemen, and certain regions in Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria all practice Sharia.
Funny enough a few of those countries have donated majorly to the clinton foundation.
Iran tosses homosexuals off rooftops and hangs them from street lamps, as does Qatar.
How many homosexuals are Christians killing in America?