Re: Feats vs Appearances
Originally posted by Sin I AM
How many appearances does a character need in order to equal another?You can use Thorr Odison vs Jane Foster as a template
I think you need a feat to say you equal someone. If you have one appearance and one feat that shows you equal someone, well then I would say you equal that someone.
I think the more feats a person has the more we look at consistency. While if you only have a few appearances we take whatever you do at face value.
If Spider-Man's first appearance was fighting Firelord, people wouldn't of questioned it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For those saying once...What happens if it is someone like.....Batman? Who is supposed to be 'human' level - and yet, does things far out of the ordinary (and has done so on many, many times)?
batman at this point is a joke character and shouldnt be taken seriously
also key words there, "supposed to" but hes not. and hasnt been for YEARS. you should know that humans in dc>>real life. you really shouldnt have used batman with all the wanking dc does with him.
and batman has thousands of appearances
Originally posted by ghostman
batman at this point is a joke character and shouldnt be taken seriouslyalso key words there, "supposed to" but hes not. and hasnt been for YEARS. you should know that humans in dc>>real life. you really shouldnt have used batman with all the wanking dc does with him.
and batman has thousands of appearances
DCnU Batman, perhaps I should have clarified - who only has about 100 or so battle showings. Kicking robot heads off, smashing motorbikes in two, taking a faceful of concrete from WW whilst injured etc....
But this is my point. If you say that all it takes is one showing to put someone at a certain level, then why ignore Batman?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU Batman, perhaps I should have clarified - who only has about 100 or so battle showings. Kicking robot heads off, smashing motorbikes in two, taking a faceful of concrete from WW whilst injured etc....But this is my point. If you say that all it takes is one showing to put someone at a certain level, then why ignore Batman?
youre just making this way more complicated than it has to be.
were not talking about a well established character with a general history of going above his level. we know enough of batman to know his average.
Originally posted by carver9
That's the thing. Batman has enough appearances for us to get an average. I don't think that's the question. The question is "how many appearances". One appearance should suffice for any character. Batman has enough fts for us to determine an average for him.
this. all it takes is one, and i assume the op is talking about a hypothetical character and not an already established one with hundreds to thousands of showings. if its the latter than its an outlier, if its the former than thats his average until he shows otherwise
Originally posted by ghostman
youre just making this way more complicated than it has to be.were not talking about a well established character with a general history of going above his level. we know enough of batman to know his average.
So with the OP's example - Jane Foster has the power of Thor (if they be worthy, etc etc).
If she takes on the Celestials, LB Galactus, the Beyonders etc and kills them all - with the power of Thor - is that not an outlier? Same Mjolnir, same enchantment etc. All that is different, is that we have replaced a half Asgardian, half Elder God warrior prince....with a cancer patient. Everything else should be exactly the same.
So no, not a hypothetical. We are already in that age.
Moreover, if what you're saying is correct - and I am NOT saying you are wrong, btw - then relying on 'flavour of the month' showings, as it were, would be a bit premature.
DCnU Batman is completely separate from DCU Batman. We can't interchange their feats. Therefore, we cannot interchange their low showings, nor their averages either.
And Batman's average in the DCnU, thus far, seems to be higher. KOing SuperTitan Gladiator, the WW showing, motorbikes, robots, fighting 28 hours straight against trained killers whilst holding back...
Of course, as time goes on, perhaps his average will come down. But you are being tainted by the memories of his hundreds/thousands/tens of thousand showings in the DCU.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So with the OP's example - Jane Foster has the power of Thor (if they be worthy, etc etc).If she takes on the Celestials, LB Galactus, the Beyonders etc and kills them all - with the power of Thor - is that not an outlier? Same Mjolnir, same enchantment etc. All that is different, is that we have replaced a half Asgardian, half Elder God warrior prince....with a cancer patient. Everything else should be exactly the same.
So no, not a hypothetical. We are already in that age.
didnt thor say something along the lines of "mjolnir never moved for me like that" and didnt whor thor beat odin? obviously things arent the same if those things happened. i dont think it would be an outlier because we know mjolnir likes the whor more than thor (as thor pretty much said with the quote i said in the beginning)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So with the OP's example - Jane Foster has the power of Thor (if they be worthy, etc etc).If she takes on the Celestials, LB Galactus, the Beyonders etc and kills them all - with the power of Thor - is that not an outlier? Same Mjolnir, same enchantment etc. All that is different, is that we have replaced a half Asgardian, half Elder God warrior prince....with a cancer patient. Everything else should be exactly the same.
So no, not a hypothetical. We are already in that age.
Moreover, if what you're saying is correct - and I am NOT saying you are wrong, btw - then relying on 'flavour of the month' showings, as it were, would be a bit premature.
DCnU Batman is completely separate from DCU Batman. We can't interchange their feats. Therefore, we cannot interchange their low showings, nor their averages either.
And Batman's average in the DCnU, thus far, seems to be higher. KOing SuperTitan Gladiator, the WW showing, motorbikes, robots, fighting 28 hours straight against trained killers whilst holding back...
Of course, as time goes on, perhaps his average will come down. But you are being tainted by the memories of his hundreds/thousands/tens of thousand showings in the DCU.
than batman is at that level, and DC is bullshitting by calling him a human, which is why i dont take him seriously. for batman you need to look at him from an outside of comics perspective, hes dcs biggest cashcow and is wanked to high heaven on just about every form of media. of course they're going to give him EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA special treatment in all matters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For those saying once...What happens if it is someone like.....Batman? Who is supposed to be 'human' level - and yet, does things far out of the ordinary (and has done so on many, many times)?
Carver gave me this idea (props for him for that) we had a debate about the validity of a feat by some mooks fighting Chulk. Basically the mooks were stated on panel as each being the equal of She-Hulk ( it was 5 to 7 of these I believe) and I just couldn't see it. Because to me it discredits Jen by saying her feats could be replicated by any one of said mook. He on the other hand took the statement verbatim which is cool because that's what it said.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Carver gave me this idea (props for him for that) we had a debate about the validity of a feat by some mooks fighting Chulk. Basically the mooks were stated on panel as each being the equal of She-Hulk ( it was 5 to 7 of these I believe) and I just couldn't see it. Because to me it discredits Jen by saying her feats could be replicated by any one of said mook. He on the other hand took the statement verbatim which is cool because that's what it said.
feats=/=statements ?
A good example would be the Midnighter hurting Apollo at all.
Obviously not possible with what we have seen him do because in order to hurt Apollo he would need to be able to dish out much more firepower than what it would take to destroy a continent.
Which he can't.
I say with outliers like those defer to what we see them do on their own.