Originally posted by SquallX
Pretty sure it's in the millions, not thousands.
https://www.rt.com/usa/331355-islamic-state-fighters-numbers/
The CIA estimates 30,000.
Even the largest esestimate by Kurdish leaders, which include non-fighting personnel affiliated with ISIS, are at most like 200,000. Millions is a completely absurd estimate, where did you get it from?
Originally posted by Bardock42
https://www.rt.com/usa/331355-islamic-state-fighters-numbers/The CIA estimates 30,000.
Even the largest esestimate by Kurdish leaders, which include non-fighting personnel affiliated with ISIS, are at most like 200,000. Millions is a completely absurd estimate, where did you get it from?
This is a quote i got
Other estimates are far higher. Rami Abdel Rahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, has said that ISIL has more than 50,000 fighters in Syria alone. The chief of the Russian General Staff recently said that Russia estimates ISIL to have “70,000 gunmen of various nationalities.” In late August of 2014, Baghdad-based security expert Hisham al-Hashimi claimed that ISIL’s total membership could be close to 100,000. By November, Fuad Hussein, the chief of staff to Kurdish president Massoud Barzani, told Patrick Cockburn of The Independent that the CIA’s estimates were far too low, and that ISIL had at least 200,000 fighters.
In the end it's believed to be atleast 100,000
Originally posted by SquallX
This is a quote i gotOther estimates are far higher. Rami Abdel Rahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, has said that ISIL has more than 50,000 fighters in Syria alone. The chief of the Russian General Staff recently said that Russia estimates ISIL to have “70,000 gunmen of various nationalities.” In late August of 2014, Baghdad-based security expert Hisham al-Hashimi claimed that ISIL’s total membership could be close to 100,000. By November, Fuad Hussein, the chief of staff to Kurdish president Massoud Barzani, told Patrick Cockburn of The Independent that the CIA’s estimates were far too low, and that ISIL had at least 200,000 fighters.
In the end it's believed to be atleast 100,000
That is the range I stated. So, do we agree now that it is thousands, and definitely not millions?
Originally posted by Bardock42
So people who aren't Muslim and don't want to blame all Muslims for the acts for a few radicals? I guess we got to lock up like 600 million Europeans ...
The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority
Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical Islamic terrorists in the US and Europe are very, very, very few as compared to the much larger, peaceful population of Muslims in these countries.
In total, a decent majority of Muslims are radicalized.
Plus, a majority of British muslisms hold radical beliefs:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/
More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.
The survey also found British Muslims more likely than the general population to sympathize with terrorism "as a form of political protest,"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical Islamic terrorists in the US and Europe are very, very, very few as compared to the much larger, peaceful population of Muslims in these countries.
Yes, but aren't there like a billion muslims and thus a small amount of those could still be like..millions upon millions of people, right?
Originally posted by Stigma
We're talking worldwide.In total, a decent majority of Muslims are radicalized.
Plus, a majority of British muslisms hold radical beliefs:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/
More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.The survey also found British Muslims more likely than the general population to sympathize with terrorism "as a form of political protest,"
The conversation you were responding to was not regarding worldwide statistics.
Even then, the calculations that Ben Shapiro does here is dishonest, and could be equally done for Christian countries in Africa, Asia or SA. Radical religious idea (to us in the West) are just not the same as what we are discussing.
Basically one "radical" answer in a survey does not a terrorist make.
Originally posted by Stigma
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.
28% of Americans think homosexuality should not be legal. 10 years ago 49% of Americans thought that: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx
So are you willing to say that almost 1/3 of Americans hold radical beliefs as well?
Homophobia is an issue, it's not a Muslim-only issue though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The conversation you were responding to was not regarding worldwide statistics.
But what you're really saying is that you do not like the facts. 👆
Originally posted by Bardock42
Even then, the calculations that Ben Shapiro does here is dishonest, and could be equally done for Christian countries in Africa, Asia or SA.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical religious idea (to us in the West) are just not the same as what we are discussing.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Basically one "radical" answer in a survey does not a terrorist make.
You are clueless. So... color me surprised. 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
Just what percentage of muslims do you think are radical though? Since even like 5% would still be like 50 million people right?
If we define radical as potentially willing to perpetuate terrorist attacks in the name of their religion? I would say less than 0.01% of Muslims in Europe.
Originally posted by Bardock42
28% of Americans think homosexuality should not be legal. 10 years ago 49% of Americans thought that: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspxSo are you willing to say that almost 1/3 of Americans hold radical beliefs as well?
Homophobia is an issue, it's not a Muslim-only issue though.
But at least you tried. 👆
Originally posted by Bardock42
If we define radical as potentially willing to perpetuate terrorist attacks in the name of their religion? I would say less than 0.01% of Muslims in Europe.
What if we defined radical as those merely with radical beliefs? So they might not be willing to make an attack, but they have no problems with these attacks either.
Originally posted by Stigma
But it makes a radicalized person. A person who thinks "gays should be stoned and honor killings of women are fun".You are clueless. So... color me surprised. 👆
Saying "I don't think that homosexuality should be legal" (like 28% of Americans still do), does not make the person holding that belief also want gays to be stoned and honour killings of women perpetrated. It's radical in one sense, but it's not radical in the sense that you wish to imply.