The Ones vs Clones Part 2
The Father, Son, and Daughter run a Gauntlet of Clones, all fights take place on Mortis, full regeneration between fights.
1. Thor Clone
2. Silver Surfer Clone
3. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Darkseid Clones
4. God Emperor of Mankind and his 20 Primarch Clones
5. Odin the All-Father Clone
6. Galactus, Devourer of Worlds Clone
Boss: The Mad Celestials Clones
Raid Boss: 616 Eternity Clone
You forgot them retreating to Mortis (long pre-peak) to avoid destroying the Galaxy with their force powers, and being the driving power behind the creation of Centerpoint/Sinkhole station, the former of which can pull in stars and black holes from across the galaxy, and the latter of which can hold black holes, which was used to trap Abeloth in the Maw. If anything, The Ones are an amalgam of The whole Celestial Race, (who are said to have merged with the force, and drive it's will,) a race of absurdly powerful force wielders. They're infinitely more powerful than beings that can raze planets like Sidious and Vitiate, and a faaaar from fully powered Abeloth, (who's inferior to the Son/Daughter) was a dozen times stronger than Luke Skywalker in the force. They're titanic ally powerful in their own right.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZThe Father states that the universe would be destroyed if the ones were to fight, correct?
1. Yes, and so did an immensely weakened Abeloth.2. Neither Hulk nor Superman are universal powers.
I'm comparing that to the time that two Hulk's fighting destroyed the universe.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You forgot them retreating to Mortis (long pre-peak) to avoid destroying the Galaxy with their force powers, and being the driving power behind the creation of Centerpoint/Sinkhole station,
We just know that The Father began to decline at some point before PT era.
Another thing that puzzles me is when The Father impales himself, he saps the power of The Son in this manner. This implies that The Daughter and The Son do not have an independent pool of power to draw from; The Father was the source of their strength. So if The Father is downed, then The Son and The Daughter are doomed as well?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
the former of which can pull in stars and black holes from across the galaxy, and the latter of which can hold black holes, which was used to trap Abeloth in the Maw.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
If anything, The Ones are an amalgam of The whole Celestial Race, (who are said to have merged with the force, and drive it's will,) a race of absurdly powerful force wielders.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
They're infinitely more powerful than beings that can raze planets like Sidious and Vitiate,
The Son and The Daughter? Not so much.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
and a faaaar from fully powered Abeloth, (who's inferior to the Son/Daughter) was a dozen times stronger than Luke Skywalker in the force. They're titanic ally powerful in their own right.
As for Abeloth being a dozen times stronger than Luke Skywalker? No. Luke felt like this while Abeloth was trying to squeeze his throat.
Moreover, Abeloth does not have superior demonstrations of affecting the external environment than Vitiate. This should tell you something.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We don't know what was the peak time of The Ones.We just know that The Father began to decline at some point before PT era.
Another thing that puzzles me is when The Father impales himself, he saps the power of The Son in this manner. This implies that The Daughter and The Son do not have an independent pool of power to draw from; The Father was the source of their strength. So if The Father is downed, then The Son and The Daughter are doomed as well?
And as far as we know, The Ones can only truly be killed by the Dagger of Mortis. While they can be subdued in the context of this thread, I don't think The Father being subdued would hurt The Son and Daughter.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Technology doesn't reflects upon the power of the builders. I recall Killiks constructing these stations under leadership of The Son and The Daughter.
True, though The Son and Daughter were the ones who granted them the force powers to create the station IIRC.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Source?
Sure!
It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings.
-Plagueis Novel
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Father could be.The Son and The Daughter? Not so much.
While The Father at his peak is far more powerful than The Son or The Daughter, the latter two by their very nature are infinitely more powerful than Sidious and Vitiate. Think of it this way:
Sarasu Taalon, while powerful in his own right, wasn't anything incredible. He was really a sub-Vader level kind of guy. Bathing in the Pool of Knowledge had immediately made him into an immense powerhouse, and he was rapidly growing stronger to the point where he was ragdolling FOTJ Luke and moving almost faster than Luke could perceive/react. By the time Sarasu was finished off, he hadn't even been able to fully transform. A guy who was noticeably sub-Vader turned into a Luke-beating powerhouse.
Now imagine Celestials. Beings with powers beyond the comprehension of mortal beings that merged with the force itself and guide its will. Imagine 2 of them bathing in the pool/drinking of the font, not being negatively affected by the pool/font in any way, and fully transforming. Then existing for millions of years living out their existence on Mortis, either honing their skills or simply bathing in the planet that is the force itself.
That is the level of power that the Son and Daughter represent. It's no wonder they can, "tear apart the fabric of the universe."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]The Son and The Daughter were individually no match for Abeloth. The Father contained her. However, Abeloth still forced The Ones to flee their homeworld.As for Abeloth being a dozen times stronger than Luke Skywalker? No. Luke felt like this while Abeloth was trying to squeeze his throat.
Moreover, Abeloth does not have superior demonstrations of affecting the external environment than Vitiate. This should tell you something.
1. Yes, but IIRC everytime Abeloth escaped into the galaxy, it was The Son and Daughter who ended up stopping her and re-imprisoning her.
2. Even if he's exaggerating, Luke clearly understands that Abeloth is indeed orders of magnitude more powerful than he is.
3. Even if I were to assume this to be true, (Vitiate is in no way, shape, or form superior to the FOTJ Abeloth that Luke viewed as orders of magnitude more powerful than him, and who was also viewed as a being completely and utterly beyond the likes of Palpatine entirely. And FOTJ Abeloth isn't even Prime Abeloth. IIRC she's only free for 6 months in FOTJ and she's as absurdly powerful as she is. She's usually free for years, wherein she starts to assimilate entire planets into her very being, (this is the juncture at which The Son and The Daughter would normally intervene in her past breakouts).
Point being, The Ones are absolute powerhouses no matter how you slice it, and I want to see where people think they fall in this thread.