Ragnos stomps.
Luke threatened that the entire order (including himself) would only be sufficient enough to stop Ragnos. Let's compare that to Kyle Katarn being threat to Caedus alone... with the former only besting him circumstantially. So I hope the no feats.txt crowd are satisfied : Ragnos wins via Holistic intent.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Caedus only beat Kyle and co. with circumstances... but Ragnos only lost to Jaden Korr on a DS nexus with circumstances. Caedus slaughters.
I don't see Ragnos' disciples being featured here, and given that they're not mentioned, I'm going to have to go with Luke's opinion of what kind of threat a fully revived Ragnos imposes, and not your own fanboyish one.
Ragnos stomps Caedus. And given his hype, Caedus would have to make several dopplegangers just to compete.
Looking back on the ancient Sith nowadays, I've come to realize that they were all written in a time where Star Wars was a massive experiment. There was no known boundry to the Force, it could be literally anything and manifest itself in any way. So, instead of the more practical telekinesis and lightning as well as legitimate feats, you had extreme levels of hype, spells, sorcery and just in general more archaic and flashy sides of the Force explored. Have to say, I actually like that side of Star Wars more than the practical, basic and monotone side.
Still, though, combative feats, reasonable accolades and practical powers >sorcery, flashy powers and hype. So I'll still take Caedus, though I admit it should be a decent fight.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Caedus only beat Kyle and co. with circumstances... but Ragnos only lost to Jaden Korr on a DS nexus with circumstances. Caedus slaughters.
Erm. What?
Ragnos spirit, likely far weaker than himself in the flesh, posessing the body of already beaten Tavionn, which would - due to her relative competence as a force user - further limit Ragnos' access to his full abilities, was beaten by Jaden Korr. Luke Skywalkers comment about needing the entire Jedi Academy to try to stop Ragnos was made for the Sith Lord back in his flesh - which is what is being argued here.
And seriously: Given what we know about the Ancient Sith in combat (Hord destroying a 1,000 Jedi on his own, Nadd defeating the drexl-riding beast riders of Onderon on his own), and knowing that Ragnos is supposed to be more powerful than all of them, one should assume that Caedus is up for some serious trouble here.
That Ragnos' capabilities aren't spelled out in the form of actual feats shouldn't matter that much, if we have a definite rating of his competence compared to the multitute of people we have feats from. And based on that implications, Ragnos could very well win, based on hype to his name. If you want to make it a comparison based on feats, then, yes, Caedus probably wins. But then again: It would most certainly not be a "stomp".