Darth Caedus vs Marka Ragnos

Started by AncientPower4 pages

Nothing but stature and hype, in all honesty.

Ragnos still beats Caedus' ass red before Caedus barely survives this confrontation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That would depend on where you rank Exar Kun.

Not above Caedus tbh. 🙂

I don't put Kun above Caedus in Force with respects to raw power, but he does have some edges just because of his insane knowledge and presumable mastery. I still put him about equal with Revan, Caedus and Krayt in terms of Force.

Originally posted by SunRazer
A lot of sources strongly suggest that Ragnos is the most powerful Sith Lord up to and of his time, which puts him above Muur and Hord. "Most powerful of the most powerful" and his array of "greatest" quotes, whilst hardly definitive, do seem to point in that direction.

I'm on my phone, so bear with me. But I recall that Ragnos's quote about being the most powerful of the most powerful come from the publisher's summary and not within the text itself. That aside, while I don't dispute that he was the strongest Sith Lord at the time, we must also consider that it refers to his position as ruler. Sources since then have indicated that much of his reign owes to strategy and manipulation, not just brute strength. And while the likes of Sadow and Kressh grovel before his spirit, sources like the Essential Atlas mention that reverence for the dead was a crux of ancient Sith culture.

Can you point me to the quotes/indicators of Ragnos's superiority over the likes of Muur, Hord, and Nadd?

"Meanwhile, on the far side of the galaxy, the Sith Empire has grown powerful through centuries of dark Force wielding and magic and the hundred-year rule of the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, Marka Ragnos."

--Chronicles of the Old Repubic

The quotes I'm referring to are the "most powerful of the most powerful" and all the "greatest of the Dark Lords" quotes. As I said, none of it is definitive. His quotes can refer to the greatness of his reign and legacy as much as his power.

I interpret the former quote as a reference to power because Dark Lords are the most powerful Sith Lords of their time, and the quote puts Ragnos as the most powerful of those. Then there's other little tidbits like the KotOR II game files having Kreia being "in awe" of Ragnos' power but not Hord's, Sadow's or Pall's. Again, nothing too definitive, it's just that my interpretation, built off various tidbits across a number of sources. But your case is valid as well.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Meanwhile, on the far side of the galaxy, the Sith Empire has grown powerful
through centuries of dark Force wielding and magic and the hundred-year rule
of the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, MARKA RAGNOS."

--Chronicles of the Old Repubic

I don't dispute his leadership skills. But what about his power compared to theirs.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I wonder if anyone reckons that Ragnos could beat Caedus in Force. After all, Ragnos is the most powerful Sith Lord up to and of his time, which puts him above the likes of Muur and Hord, both of whom seem to be absurdly powerful and in a similar class to Caedus in Force power/mastery. I'd imagine that the Force round would be incredibly close.

Lol this is a joke right?

It's true. Caedus couldn't even Force Push Kyle Katarn 🤣

Well, to be fair, Ragnos with his mighty scepter was shamed by Kyle's apprentice on a dark side nexus.

And Tahiri Veila ran away from a Krayt Dragon 👆

Most Jedi and Sith would run from a Krayt Dragon tbh

Originally posted by JKBart
Most Jedi and Sith would run from a Krayt Dragon tbh

examples?

Bane would freeze in terror.

The real answer is that most fodder would run away from a Krayt Dragon. And I'm pretty sure they were considered hunting game, among the most skilled Tusken Raiders.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The real answer is that most fodder would run away from a Krayt Dragon. And I'm pretty sure they were considered hunting game, among the most skilled Tusken Raiders.

Game Hunters also hunted them. This whole fodder term is thrown around far too loosely in SW.

Yup. fodder 👆

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Yup. fodder 👆

Which you said would run....except they don't. So...yeah. Only time anyone would run, is if they weren't prepared...but then that's just basic logic.

This is helping my stance tbh. 👆

This has nothing to do with Caedus lmao.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
This is helping my stance tbh. 👆

Not sure what you're getting at here, you said fodder would run from a Krayt Dragon.

Except that would only be the case, if they weren't prepared for it. You seemed to imply, they would just run away because reasons.