Gay Rights vs Islamic Rights

Progressive America must now figure out how to cope with a basic conflict between two of their greatest sympathies -- LGBTs and Muslims.

Which one is more important to them to defend?

Or is it somehow ok to them to accept that Muslims don't play nice with LGBTs? They'd better figure out their liberal excuses fast because it's all coming to a volatile head now.

Thoughts?

Add guns to the equation if you want to be serious about this

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Which one is more important to them to defend?

Originally posted by Astner
An extremist gunning down people in a gay club is neither an exercise of religious freedom nor is it a deceleration of war between two social groups. It's just an idiot causing a scene.

At least Arabic Islamic nations treat homosexuals with the death penalty. So you would be incorrect.

It's pretty bad in Jamaica, too. Culture > religion

Liberalism and gay rights dont mix with Islam, so who are the liberals going to side with?

24-hour news cycle (see: fear mongering) has gotten you good

Proof? Or just another one of your baseless claims?

Hilldawg loves to take Islamic Run Countries Money so I am sure she is all for Islamic Religious Law.

The Democrats will be able to replace the Gay Vote with the Islamic Vote.

Sure all the gays will be dead but a Vote for Democrat is a Vote for Democrat

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Add guns to the equation if you want to be serious about this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643379/Undercover-police-officer-recorded-Muslim-extremists-calling-gay-people-thrown-building-secret-ISIS-support-meetings-garden.html

Undercover police officer 'recorded Muslim extremists calling for gay people to be thrown from a building during secret ISIS support meetings in back garden'

An undercover police officer recorded British Muslim extremists calling for gay people to be thrown from 'high buildings', a court heard today.

Five men are accused of addressing or arranging meetings in support of the terror group at a church hall and the back garden of a home in Luton, Bedfordshire, last summer.

The first defendant, who cannot be named for legal reasons, allegedly told one gathering: 'We know that Islam is going to dominate all of this earth.'

Also:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

A majority of Muslims in Britain think homosexuality should be banned as a lifestyle. Almost half of them think homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in schools...

These are not Middle-Eastern radicalized Muslims, mind you, but the ones that live in the Western country that has a long liberty tradition.

In short, for radicalized Muslims (who, according to Pew research presented by Ben Shapiro are, in fact, a majority of Muslims worldwide), gay rights mean nothing.

Your thoughts on the issue?

EDIT: I also sincerely hope your username is not a giveaway of your mental prowess. For the sake of a fruitful discussion, do not handwave the facts as many liberals do. 👆

These are two different issues. Gay rights is a human rights issue. Islam is a religious tolerance issue. Under the Constitution, we are all afforded the same basic human rights. This includes anyone living in this country. We all have a right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

What you were touching it with Islam is the religious rights issue. And we do have freedom of religion in this country. However, that would fall under the separation of church and state. What this means is that we have a right to worship any God that we want to as long as it does not interfere with the basic rights of another human being. Throwing gay men off the top of roof rooftops is a violation of someone else's basic human rights and cannot be accepted by this government. Muslims are free to hold intolerant beliefs as long as they do not act upon them. In a secular government, human rights will always supersede religious rights. If Muslims want to practice the full extent of the Quran then they should move back to a Muslim country.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
These are two different issues. Gay rights is a human rights issue. Islam is a religious tolerance issue. Under the Constitution, we are all afforded the same basic human rights. This includes anyone living in this country. We all have a right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

What you were touching it with Islam is the religious rights issue. And we do have freedom of religion in this country. However, that would fall under the separation of church and state. What this means is that we have a right to worship any God that we want to as long as it does not interfere with the basic rights of another human being. Throwing gay men off the top of roof rooftops is a violation of someone else's basic human rights and cannot be accepted by this government. Muslims are free to hold intolerant beliefs as long as they do not act upon them. In a secular government, human rights will always supersede religious rights. If Muslims want to practice the full extent of the Quran then they should move back to a Muslim country.

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Some Americans do not believe this a secular government though. They believe it is a Christian government

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Some Americans do not believe this a secular government though. They believe it is a Christian government

SO you agree with this?

"In a secular government, human rights will always supersede religious rights. If Muslims want to practice the full extent of the Quran then they should move back to a Muslim country."

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Some Americans do not believe this a secular government though. They believe it is a Christian government

It's secular in theory, but the church holds way way way too much power in this country. If Islam had that much power here it would be outright f*cking scary.

I also feel this quote from Teddy Roosevelt perfectly sums up my feelings about this shit with muslims:

"The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels... his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."

Surtur, How many Christians in our government are killing homosexuals?

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Some Americans do not believe this a secular government though. They believe it is a Christian government

America is only considered a Christian Nation because Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. However, that has zilch to do with the framing of laws in America. There is separation of church and state for a reason.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Surtur, How many Christians in our government are killing homosexuals?

None, I was just saying why I think some people think of it as a christian government.

I know, lest is under the impression we kill homosexuals here.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
SO you agree with this?

"In a secular government, human rights will always supersede religious rights. If Muslims want to practice the full extent of the Quran then they should move back to a Muslim country."

Yep.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I know, lest is under the impression we kill homosexuals here.

In the United States, out of the almost 6,000 hate crimes committed in 2013, 20 percent (approximately 1,200) were based on victims’ sexual orientation, according to the FBI.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/lgbt-homicides_n_6993484.html
"Record Number of Reported LGBT Homicides So Far In 2015"