Sylvar vs Ahsoka Tano

Prime Nomi Sunrider > Sidious btw

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
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Not yet

Temper the blade Joker, and sheath it.

There will be a better time to use it. 🙂

So stating Sylvar is a good duelist, which she is, and stating her performances against Ulic and Kun are indicative of skill enough to contend with your precious Ahsoka, is stupidity now? How baselessly desperate.

Admit that you went predictably ape shit over questioning the genuine abilities of one of your most wanked characters and we can move on.

You mean Getting stomped by Kun and stalemating a Force naked Qel-droma ?

>injuring.
>stomped.

A Force naked Droma who had just trained a newbie Vima into a serious duelist, and had become so wise in his understanding that he achieved oneness with the Force despite his loss.

Almost as if you're purposefully leaving out vital information. 😬

Originally posted by AncientPower
So stating Sylvar is a good duelist, which she is, and stating her performances against Ulic and Kun are indicative of skill enough to contend with your precious Ahsoka, is stupidity now? How baselessly desperate.

Admit that you went predictably ape shit over questioning the genuine abilities of one of your most wanked characters and we can move on.

So are you going to continue to whine about how the "PT gangbangers" violated you, or can we expected an actual argument? 🙂

I refuted the claims of Tano stomping by asking my own questions, guess what, not getting immediately ran through by Vader or Maul in a duel isn't sufficient.

Originally posted by AncientPower
So stating Sylvar is a good duelist, which she is, and stating her performances against Ulic and Kun are indicative of skill enough to contend with your precious Ahsoka, is stupidity now? How baselessly desperate.

Again, another pathetic strawman. I never said she wasn't a good duelist. I said getting stomped by Kun, and just managing to claw his face, killing bugs that fodder, no-named non-Force sensitives killed before and beating a severed-from-the-Force and injured Ulic Qel-Droma isn't as good as holding your own against Vader and Maul and doesn't mean Sylvar can hold her own against them, and she can't.

And you're hardly one to call another person "baselessly desperate" given just how much you're backpedaling to save yourself the humiliation of defeat. Your original argument was:

Originally posted by AncientPower
Well Sylvar being capable of actually dueling either in the way Tano did is hardly outside of her expertise given her performance against Kun on Dantooine, who regularly defeated Vodo.

In other words, you blatantly just said Sylvar can do to Vader and Maul what Ahsoka did, which is contend as a close combatant. And your example is killing Kiltiks that you shamelessly tried to pass off as the far superior Killiks, and then when called out on it said they are distant cousins without any proof(still waiting on that quote of yours that groups them together) and clawing a pre-prime Exar Kun's face before being dominated. This entire debate, if you can even call it that, has been you being pushed into a helpless retreat when your half-baked arguments failed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Admit that you went predictably ape shit over questioning the genuine abilities of one of your most wanked characters and we can move on.

You can call me "ape shit" all you want, you're the one literally changing your own argument so it seems less stupid than it originally was in an attempt to at least somewhat lessen the humiliation of losing.

Also, I just love how every time one of the characters you "wank" gets questioned in ability, you just call the other user part of the "PT brigade" like there's some big conspiracy that we all want PT to the be most OP era and how we'll all push Zett Jukassa > Exar Kun. It's just another way to hide the fact that your arguments lack coherency.

This is ****ing phenomenal.

Nah it's MythLord trying to leech off of relevancy.

Your entire argument is that Tano can stomp Sylvar because she didn't get Kanan'd by Vader, which is undoubtably impressive. But Sylvar in her prime going up against Ulic, who regardless of state is still one of the absolute best swordsman in the mythos and even pressing him? That's more than enough evidence to suggest she can give Tano a good fight.

Since when have I wanked Sylvar? 😂

since now 👆

You seem to be assuming that I could care less about the opinion of someone who regularly insults veteran community members on CV.

*every community member on CV

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nah it's MythLord trying to leech off of relevancy.

https://youtu.be/Iy7xDGi5lp4?t=180

Oh, and at least I have relevancy 🙂

Originally posted by AncientPower
Your entire argument is that Tano can stomp Sylvar because she didn't get Kanan'd by Vader, which is undoubtably impressive.

Another cute strawman. When did I say Tano stomps? Please, I at least had the decency to quote your initial argument that you're back-tracking on desperately. 😆

Also, Ahsoka did more than just not get Kanan'd. She, while still losing, did put up at least a somewhat respectable fight against Vader, which is hardly within post-prime Ulic's capabilities.

Originally posted by AncientPower
But Sylvar in her prime going up against Ulic, who regardless of state is still one of the absolute best swordsman in the mythos and even pressing him? That's more than enough evidence to suggest she can give Tano a good fight.

Except, Ulic at this stage really isn't one of the best duelists in the mythos. That's some more faux hype. At best, you can argue Ulic in his prime rivals Vader. But this Ulic? He's described as "powerless" and Qel-Droma himself notes how now a lightsaber is nothing but a tool, no longer an extention of his will. This should obviously imply his skill went down. His previous physical capabilties are now gone, his precog is gone, pretty much anything that defines a Force user and Jedi is now gone. And you're trying to tell me he's going to be even remotely comparable to his prime self? That's just ridiculous. Also, Ulic was holding his own fairly well against Sylvar and he purposefully held back.
Ahsoka's feat against Vader and Maul just blows Sylvar's feat with Ulic out of the water. Tano is just considerably better, and that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Since when have I wanked Sylvar? 😂

When have you not wanked ToTJ characters? 😆

With this much backpedaling someone in the east coast of the united states would end up on the west in no time.

You keep talking of strawman's, yet keep asserting that I EVER stated Sylvar wins, Carth, DMB and Beni all claimed Tano stomps simply by being graced with Vader's presence. Tano has never been in stomping range of someone like Sylvar, a Ventress tier combatant.

Stop clinging to this hilarious cognitive high horse of you assuming you 1337 pwn everybody in a debate simply by posting. You put words in my mouth and then 'debunked' said words.

Do you have any idea how many others have faced Vader in a duel and not been immediately steamrolled?

Originally posted by AncientPower
You keep talking of strawman's, yet keep asserting that I EVER stated Sylvar wins

Another strawman 🙂 I never said that. Your own argument says that. You went from asking if Ahsoka can replicate Sylvar's showing(clearly implying Silvar's superiority) to then saying Sylvar's capabilities match Tano's(read my post above where I quoted that) and then you said, after our debate, you freely admit Ahsoka wins. You back-tracked and that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Carth, DMB and Beni all claimed Tano stomps simply by being graced with Vader's presence. Tano has never been in stomping range of someone like Sylvar, a Ventress tier combatant.

Sylvar being a Ventress tier combatant is debatable... but when did I ever say Tano will be stomping Sylvar? Again, at least I had the decency to point out your argument that I was debunking, you seem to the one purposefully putting words in my mouth then accusing me of doing the same to you.
My argument is that Tano's feats are considerably better, and they are.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Stop clinging to this hilarious cognitive high horse of you assuming you 1337 pwn everybody in a debate simply by posting. You put words in my mouth and then 'debunked' said words.

Again, you're blowing my argument out of proportion to make it seem more ridiculous and to make you seem on a more favourable position. You originally questioned Tano's ability to beat Sylvar, debated me and then backtracked so it doesn't seem like you lost. That isn't me placing myself on a high horse where I wreck everyone, that's you denying a loss. And this entire back-and-forth game of who can verbally outspar the other is getting extremely tiresome. Down to the point: we both think Tano beats Sylvar. Let's just leave it at that because I'd rather not go into another useless tangent with you.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Do you have any idea how many others have faced Vader in a duel and not been immediately steamrolled?

Yeah, and? Most of them still didn't challenge him or last as long as Ahsoka, and have faced him either pre-prime or with circumstantial benefits(An'ya Kuro and Boba being good examples of the latter). And most of Vader's opponents, if I'm being frank, would beat Sylvar.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
No. Any who dare to rebel against the Queen must be hunted down and purged. Suggesting there's any parity between Ahsoka and Sylvar is blashpemy and the heretic who has spouted such opinions (or other peasants who've advocated similarly vile views) must be used as examples to prevent future insurrections against Her Majesty.

Very well. I will abide by your decree, your excellence.

Baseless assumptions, this entire time, just like I thought.

I asked, in a very SunRazer fashion, whether or not other people thought Tano could accomplish the same feat. You and your ilk took it upon yourselves to get extremely defensive. Whilst I believe Tano wins, it isn't for not getting immediately eviscerated by Vader in a duel. It's because Sylvar's Force feats are completely lacking and Tano basically floors her in every Force exchange.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Baseless assumptions, this entire time, just like I thought.

"Baseless assumptions" based on the posts you made, yeah. You clearly meant Sylvar can match Tano in the second or third reply to me. Pardon me for not agreeing her feats are as good as Ahsoka's in terms of dueling.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I asked, in a very SunRazer fashion, whether or not other people thought Tano could accomplish the same feat. You and your ilk took it upon yourselves to get extremely defensive.

That's unlike you to just ask something like that out of nowhere with no intent, though. If people are saying Ahsoka stomps, then of course they'd think she can perform a feat that Sylvar can perform. This should be obvious. But like I said, I have better things to do than get into another useless tangent with you.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Whilst I believe Tano wins, it isn't for not getting immediately eviscerated by Vader in a duel. It's because Sylvar's Force feats are completely lacking and Tano basically floors her in every Force exchange.

K. I've been arguing from a dueling-specific point of view, but yeah her Force feats also help her in this case.