Gun Sales Surge
Among gays, lesbians after Orlando shooting.
http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/
Gun Sales Surge
Among gays, lesbians after Orlando shooting.
http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/
Re: Gun Sales Surge
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Among gays, lesbians after Orlando shooting.http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/
Good! A gay man should be able to get married to the person he loves, buy a lot of weed, and protect both with his gun. Freedom is awesome. America!
Picture the scene...a nightclub...flashing lights...loud music...someone comes in and starts shooting...due to the lights and music hardly anyone can tell where the shots come from...several people draw their guns. One of them sees someone else who isn't the shooter with their gun drawn and fires on them...more shots and more people draw guns...more people killed and still no one can tell who the original shooter is...then the famously trigger happy Cops show up and see lots of people with Guns drawn.
Yeah I'm sure it'll be fine. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Originally posted by jaden101
Picture the scene...a nightclub...flashing lights...loud music...someone comes in and starts shooting...due to the lights and music hardly anyone can tell where the shots come from...several people draw their guns. One of them sees someone else who isn't the shooter with their gun drawn and fires on them...more shots and more people draw guns...more people killed and still no one can tell who the original shooter is...then the famously trigger happy Cops show up and see lots of people with Guns drawn.Yeah I'm sure it'll be fine. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
First thing, I'm NOT pro-gun. Have had weapons training when I was very young (as my dad is an avid shooter, even used to own a private range). Saw someone get shot due to accidental discharge. Hated guns ever since. Haven't owned a gun my entire life (tho that may change now that I have a daughter). I DO respect ppl's rights to own guns, however.
I think your scenario is a bit unfair.
I mean, if the worst-case-everyone-is-a-moron-including-the-police total clusterf*ck scenario would happen, then sure, that might well occur, yes.
A more likely scenario would be that as soon as shooting starts, ppl panic, a few dumbasses might well shoot into the crowd or draw their weapons then start randomly pointing/shooting in a panic. However, the smarter ones would look for cover/hide and try to get some situational awareness or go for a defensible room and barricading the door, etc. The smart target to shoot would likely be the guy shooting at unarmed innocents/injured. As soon as guns start firing, shooters either dive for cover or get shot themselves.
Police might well have specific training for instances like this and would most likely NOT run in guns blazing. Likely, they come in by flashbanging/tear gassing the area. Ppl drop their weapons soon as police rush in. Shooters that do not and ventilated. Of course, casualties would be high but a good number of ppl will likely survive.
At best, knowledge that an area might have armed opposition would be quite a decent deterrent for these kinds of attacks.
The alternative? Shooter(s) come into a bar. No one else is armed. Shooter(s) blocks door. Everyone is trapped. Police has a 5-10 minute response time (if not longer). Fish in a barrel. Nearly total casualty rate.
Edit.
I think the question here would be: "Would you give total power to those who do not know how to use it properly or to those who know how to use it and intend absolute malice?"
IMO, the better scenario for you to point out is if ppl misconstrue someone as a shooter and panic and fear takes over and shit hits the fan. W/c would actually be a more frightening scenario and emphasizes the need for better screening and more in-depth training for ppl who carry.
Originally posted by jaden101
So how about a mandatory 6 x 1 hour training course for anyone buying a gun. Split into safe use/storage of the gun and basic tactical awareness training for hostile situations.As opposed to letting people just buy guns with no need for how to conduct and control yourself in dangerous situations
Don't see anything wrong with that idea, actually. 👆
Tho you should allow ppl choose the number of sessions (but min 6 hours total).
If anything my childhood has taught me, it's that you want TRAINED ppl to own guns.
Originally posted by jaden101
So how about a mandatory 6 x 1 hour training course for anyone buying a gun. Split into safe use/storage of the gun and basic tactical awareness training for hostile situations.As opposed to letting people just buy guns with no need for how to conduct and control yourself in dangerous situations
I think that all the anti gun people should go thru this course as well. Seeing as how so often they get Gun Facts WRONG!!!!!!!
Such as the diff between automatic and semi... that there is really NO SUCH THING as an Assault Rifle.
Etc.
Stop with the Stupid You Liberal Wieners.
Originally posted by jaden101
Picture the scene...a nightclub...flashing lights...loud music...someone comes in and starts shooting...due to the lights and music hardly anyone can tell where the shots come from...several people draw their guns. One of them sees someone else who isn't the shooter with their gun drawn and fires on them...more shots and more people draw guns...more people killed and still no one can tell who the original shooter is...then the famously trigger happy Cops show up and see lots of people with Guns drawn.Yeah I'm sure it'll be fine. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Well if its a gay bar everyone should just automatically start shooting at the band. I mean that music am I right!?
That or the GAYS should get some Door Security that can tell when its a rifle a guy has in his pants in stead of a HARD PENIS!
That and to keep guys out of the bar like jaden......I mean even Gays don't want that in their clubs.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Well if its a gay bar everyone should just automatically start shooting at the band. I mean that music am I right!?
That or the GAYS should get some Door Security that can tell when its a rifle a guy has in his pants in stead of a HARD PENIS!
That and to keep guys out of the bar like jaden......I mean even Gays don't want that in their clubs.
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I submit to your superior knowledge of the...ahem...ins and outs of gay bar patronage.
Originally posted by jaden101
I submit to your superior knowledge of the...ahem...ins and outs of gay bar patronage.
I learned it from WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!!!!
And lets just go back to point the fact that it was YOU Mr/Miss/IT Jaden that made the fact that Gays are flightly and prone to acting badly to a dangerous situation.
YOU HOMOPHOBIC A-HOLE YOU!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Don't see anything wrong with that idea, actually. 👆Tho you should allow ppl choose the number of sessions (but min 6 hours total).
If anything my childhood has taught me, it's that you want TRAINED ppl to own guns.
I guess ex military and hunters should be exempt. We already know about using firearms and firearms safety.
Originally posted by jaden101
So how about a mandatory 6 x 1 hour training course for anyone buying a gun. Split into safe use/storage of the gun and basic tactical awareness training for hostile situations.As opposed to letting people just buy guns with no need for how to conduct and control yourself in dangerous situations
I'm pro gun and this sounds great. Anything to increase knowledge and safety.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
A more likely scenario would be that as soon as shooting starts, ppl panic, a few dumbasses might well shoot into the crowd or draw their weapons then start randomly pointing/shooting in a panic. However, the smarter ones would look for cover/hide and try to get some situational awareness or go for a defensible room and barricading the door, etc. The smart target to shoot would likely be the guy shooting at unarmed innocents/injured. As soon as guns start firing, shooters either dive for cover or get shot themselves.Police might well have specific training for instances like this and would most likely NOT run in guns blazing. Likely, they come in by flashbanging/tear gassing the area. Ppl drop their weapons soon as police rush in. Shooters that do not and ventilated. Of course, casualties would be high but a good number of ppl will likely survive.
I do not know how this scenario is any better. It is still a total shit show. Except now, instead of people trying to identify where the shots are coming from and trying to find cover or exits, everyone is shooting at each other. I fail to see how that results in fewer people shot.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
At best, knowledge that an area might have armed opposition would be quite a decent deterrent for these kinds of attacks.
Except it is not: only 13% of mass shootings take place in gun free zones.