Do you think that when a system works for some countries (especially much smaller, less populated countries) that it'll be a guarantee for the US too? It wouldn't be surprising if one long-standing tradition and ingrained cultural trait would benefit some countries, but could backfire for other countries.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Do you think that when a system works for some countries (especially much smaller, less populated countries) that it'll be a guarantee for the US too? It wouldn't be surprising if one long-standing tradition and ingrained cultural trait would benefit some countries, but could backfire for other countries.
Don't liberals tout the whole European universal healthcare system working there as evidence that it would work here? I'm giving you an example, I'm not going into double standards like some people like to engage in.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I don't know what constitutes as "fun" violence but once again, we have examples of Switzerland and Israel. You can make whatever rationalization you want but those are examples of more guns=less violence as a result of responsible gun owners and lack of gun culture.
I was too careless in checking my spelling.
But Israel? From Wikipedia:
Civilians must obtain a firearms license to lawfully acquire, possess, sell, or transfer firearms and ammunition. Soldiers are generally required to carry their personal weapons and ammunition together while on furlough, during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.
The list of below personnel are eligible for licenses allowing them to possess firearms:
Israel Defense Forces honorably discharged with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel
Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander
Eligible to possess one rifle.
Ex–special forces enlisted men
Retired police officers with the rank of sergeant
Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander
Licensed public transportation drivers transporting a minimum of five people
Civil Guard volunteers
Civil Guard snipers may possess one rifle.
Residents of militarily strategic buffer zones considered essential to state security
May possess one handgun.
Residents of Israeli settlements
Settlers may possess handguns and can be issued automatic rifles by the army for personal protection. The automatic rifles are the property of the army and may be recalled at any time.
Licensed hunters
May possess one shotgun
Licensed animal-control officers
May possess two rifles
In addition, those applying for permission to possess firearms must meet certain age requirements:
20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent
21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent
27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent
45 for residents of East Jerusalem.
To obtain a firearms license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, pass a background check that considers the applicant's health, mental, and criminal history, establish a genuine reason for possessing a firearm (such as self-defense, hunting, or sport), and pass a weapons-training course. The Israeli government maintains an official registry of all residents with firearms licenses.[22]
All those holding firearms licenses must renew them and re-take a shooting course at a gun range every three years and pass a psychological exam every six years.[23] They must demonstrate they have a safe at home in which to keep the firearm. Permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and are given a lifetime supply of 50 bullets to take home.[24]
In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces).
Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles, and air pistols) after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals who want to engage in practice shooting are allowed supervised use of pistols at firing ranges.
Those licensed to possess firearms may not carry them in public without a permit. Separate permits exist for being allowed to carrying open and concealed weapons.[22]
Around 40% of applications for firearms permits are rejected.[25]
In 2005, there were 236,879 private citizens and 154,000 security guards licensed to carry firearms. Another 34,000 Israelis who were previously licensed own guns illegally due to their failure to renew their gun license.[26][27] In 2007, there were estimated to be 500,000 civilian licensed guns in Israel, in addition to 1,757,500 in the military, and 26,040 in the police.[28][29]
To legally own a gun as a souvenir, prize, inheritance, or award of appreciation from the military, an individual must first present proper documentation that they are about to receive it. Permits for gun collectors are extremely rare, and typically only given to ex-high-ranking officers.
Under Israeli law, the maximum penalty for unlawful possession of a firearm is 10 years in prison.
That seems like a really good system to me, a far cry from US gun laws, no? Switzerland is in fact similar in that way and much less of a free for all. I think your argument somewhat works against a full ban, but it really doesn't work against the more common argument of stricter gun control and regulations, since both Israel and Switzerland have those.
Originally posted by MS WarehouseYeah, but what I'm getting at is, maybe the States just aren't culturally homogeneous enough to make Federal laws granting country-wide rights or abolishments, etc. actually work. The county might be just too damn big and populous for a viable solution to these huge issues to ever be found.
Don't liberals tout the whole European universal healthcare system working there as evidence that it would work here? I'm giving you an example, I'm not going into double standards like some people like to engage in.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, but what I'm getting at is, maybe the States just aren't culturally homogeneous enough to make Federal laws granting country-wide rights or abolishments, etc. actually work. The county might be just too damn big and populous for a viable solution to these huge issues to ever be found.
I agree.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Their airport is also among the safest places on earth. They utilize profiling to the maximum. I don't think that would work in this country, as much as I would like it.
Was there about 8 years ago, their scanning equipment is seriously more sophisticated and efficient, no need to remove shoes, belts, etc. the machine can tell the difference between the metal in a belt and a gun/knife apparently.
Whole system moved far more smoothly than the TSA nightmare we have in US airports.
Israelis are the most technologically advanced country on the planet as far as counterterrorism is concerned.
Not that it's at all possible, but should the various regions in the States that think and act alike all decide to split the Union and form their own smaller countries... would you support it?
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
My point is I completely agree with Israel's system (nothing to do with being Jewish). They're incredibly practical based on all the countries that surround them. These are legitimate gun controls that we can all abide by.
That won't fly in the US. That would be viewed as punishing all for the sins of a few. Any legislator voting for that would risk losing re election. Too many proud firearms owners here, especially in the south. You won't tell a redneck how many firearms he can own.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
That won't fly in the US. That would be viewed as punishing all for the sins of a few. Any legislator voting for that would risk losing re election. Too many proud firearms owners here, especially in the south. You won't tell a redneck how many firearms he can own.
Just like the left will ***** and moan about profiling. Hence, neither of these things will work here.
We at least need to use common sense. If you've committed a violent crime, you can't ever buy a gun. If you've been investigated by the FBI on suspected terrorism you definitely can't buy one.
I also can't see any real reason a person would need to own multiple firearms. This isn't a Resident Evil game.
Originally posted by Tattoos N ScarsNot really a 'number of weapons' someone can own, imo, if someone passes a background check and they're deemed mentally stable, what does it matter if they own one or twenty guns.
That won't fly in the US. That would be viewed as punishing all for the sins of a few. Any legislator voting for that would risk losing re election. Too many proud firearms owners here, especially in the south. You won't tell a redneck how many firearms he can own.
The regulation reform comes in the form of more thorough background checks, more cohesion between state and federal branches, extending the idiotic 'three day' time limit and dropping the utterly insane gun-show loophole.
So while you may have to wait longer to get a gun, once you're cleared you can buy as many as you need to make your penis feel adequate. 🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
We at least need to use common sense. If you've committed a violent crime, you can't ever buy a gun. If you've been investigated by the FBI on suspected terrorism you definitely can't buy one.I also can't see any real reason a person would need to own multiple firearms. This isn't a Resident Evil game.
People convicted of a violent crime probably wouldn't make it past the background check - if the gun is bought legally.
I have multiple guns so, when I run out of bullets, I can throw my empty guns at the zombies.
Originally posted by jaden101
Say for example the cost of the mandatory training are added to the gun cost price and the gun isn't given to the owner until they get their training certificate.
This is the best answer. And to add to that, add on top of that, periodic re-testing.
The same should apply to driving cars, as well.
Originally posted by jaden101
But what has happened, and I've seen this for myself, is a fight starting in a bar that within 10 seconds erupted into almost everyone in the bar fighting.Let's not forget than in a nightclub you would have many intoxicated people as well. What if they're armed?
Can't see it ending well.
How often do you see this scenario come up in the news (in the US where open carry and conceal carry are around)?
It has literally never happened. There are scenarios where a few people get involved in a gun fight but it isn't some massive shootout like you would see in a movie. And, usually, that was gang related.
What I have seen happen, though, is a knife is pulled and someone is gutted...not kidding. That shit is scarier to me.