Kas'im vs. Cin Drallig

Started by Syndicate6 pages
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Which begs the question, why are you copy/pasting things from Wookipedia here?

Cause it's Kurk.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Which begs the question, why are you copy/pasting things from Wookipedia here?

Those are legit sources, abit I don't have the Guide one that says he has Unparalleled ability, but the ones about Grevious and being one of the JO's top swordsmen are accurate.

The quotes?

Yeah, the Grevious one, I posted. The other about being one of the JO's top swordsmen comes from Insider 87. Here.

Profile: One of the Jedi Order's top swordsmen, Cin Drallig served as the temple's lightsaber combat instructor. Stationed on Courscant, he taught the basics of lightsaber combat forms one through six to thousands of students, including Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker.

Terminator: Drallig's skills marked him as a priority target by Lord Vader.

Fair enough.

Ya know kinda interesting, Cin was pretty old by ROTS if he taught Obi-Wan the basics and yet still has such accolades and praise. Kinda wanna see him in his physical prime, especially since he was personally trained by Yoda in sabers.

So you don't think RotS is his prime?

Originally posted by Syndicate
So you don't think RotS is his prime?

Well if he taught Obi-Wan in sabers, this suggests he was already middle aged or somewhere around there. Then add 10+ years or so, Obi-Wan is a Padawan under Jinn, then adding however many years till ATOC(I guess another 10 since Anakin is an adult) and then later to ROTS,

Not nearly as powerful in The Force, so I'd wager he wouldn't be the same swordsman he was if you say go back to around the time Obi-Wan was a Youngling or he was training Anakin. At some point age would have taken an effect on his body, martial wise.

Plus should note, that in the particular instance fighting Anakin/Vader(least according to the novel) suggesting that Cin was also fighting against Clones to protect his students before the former came in and cut him down. So fatigue would have also settled at some point, + his old age where he wouldn't be able to use The Force as well to compensate for.

Fair points.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Those are legit sources,

Wookipedia isn't a legit source, regardless of whether or not it's content is correct.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Wookipedia isn't a legit source, regardless of whether or not it's content is correct.

I didn't say Wookiee was, I was saying the sources that were covering what was posted, were legit.

That's not the point he's making.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Which begs the question, why are you copy/pasting things from Wookipedia here?

Is this a problem?

Anakin only beat Cin because:
- Cin was fatigued from fighting off clones
- Cin was well out of his physical prime
- Cin can't hold a candle to Anakin in terms of overall TK power

Going off the RotS game, it's already apparent he was quite a threat to Anakin even when out of his prime. I have no doubt in my mind that Drallig was able to contend among the likes of Dooku and Mace in terms of sabers when he was in his prime.

Originally posted by Kurk
Anakin only beat Cin because:
- Cin was fatigued from fighting off clones
- Cin was well out of his physical prime
- Cin can't hold a candle to Anakin in terms of overall TK power

Going off the RotS game, it's already apparent he was quite a threat to Anakin even when out of his prime. I have no doubt in my mind that Drallig was able to contend among the likes of Dooku and Mace in terms of sabers when he was in his prime.


1. If your stamina/Force reserves is so shit that a few Clones tax it to the point you're getting Fisto'ed by a dude using one hand, than you aren't that good from the start. LMAO.
2. Proof he was out of his prime by a significant degree?
3. Umm, what does TK have to do with lightsaber combat?

As for the game - it's non-canon, and doesn't matter. He was dropped like a dime when they dueled in actual canon material.

Drallig's talents are notable but Kas'im is a prodigy. Natural skill that's been honed after years of training. Kas'im with medium difficulty

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I think that's more because Ti told Anakin prior pretty much "You're a noob, you can't help Mace and them." When Mace and company went to go arrest Palpatine.

I'd be pretty pissed tbh.

Sounds more like he just wanted to slaughter her, than seeing her as a bigger threat.

Que?

She let him go and help, accepting he wouldn't be any harm. I doubt he even payed her any attention, given how ****ed his head was at that point. Knightfall!Vader isn't Mustafar!Vader, he's the same tactical genius he's been during the rest of the war, obviously killing the most powerful and high ranking Jedi in the temple was priority one.

Especially given the Battlefront monologues which showed Vader was targeting the strongest masters most of all.

Originally posted by Selenial
Que?

She let him go and help, accepting he wouldn't be any harm. I doubt he even payed her any attention, given how ****ed his head was at that point. Knightfall!Vader isn't Mustafar!Vader, he's the same tactical genius he's been during the rest of the war, obviously killing the most powerful and high ranking Jedi in the temple was priority one.

Especially given the Battlefront monologues which showed Vader was targeting the strongest masters most of all.

Yeah she let him go, but the fact she was a complete *** to him beforehand, I'm sure he'd remember that and just want to kill her for it.

Plus in at no where point is it stated, Ti was any priority unlike Cin who was due to his skill according to Insider, then further backed by the Visual dictionary as being the best swordmaster in the Temple at the time of the attack.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah she let him go, but the fact she was a complete *** to him beforehand, I'm sure he'd remember that and just want to kill her for it.

"It's them or me, Anakin. Or perhaps I should put it more plainly: It's them or Padme."
"As the shadow beside him spoke, its words became true. From a remote, frozen distance that was at the same time more extravagantly, hotly intimate than he could have ever dreamed, Anakin handled his emotions. He dissected them. He reassembled them and pulled them apart again. He still felt them—if anything, they burned hotter than before—but they no longer had the power to cloud his mind"

He descended on the Temple with a battalion of Clones determined to save Padme, and the very first thing he laid his eyes upon was killing Shaak Ti, after a passage that openly states his mind isn't clouded by emotion and he's thinking straight.

Plus in at no where point is it stated, Ti was any priority unlike Cin who was due to his skill according to Insider, then further backed by the Visual dictionary as being the best swordmaster in the Temple at the time of the attack.

I can't even tell if you're serious anymore. Because like I said, Shaak Ti has the exact same accolade. And yes, Drallig was targeted due to his skill (as were several other masters according to other sources) so there's a precedent for him chasing the Jedi with the strongest connections to the force and the most skill.... yet you're trying to attribute his priority #1 target being Shaak Ti because of her saying Kolar might be better than him?

Jesus, Wolf 😬

Anakin crushed Dooku in a similar manner too.