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Common sense and basic interpretation skills suggests that an older man is not going to have the same physical abilities or stamina that they might have had when they were younger.
Nigga, can you even read?
I explicitly asked, where is the proof his age vitiated his physical attributes by a significant amount, not proof that it did. I know with age comes degradation of one physical abilities, but we're talking about Force users here. Were they're guys that are in absolute great physical shape despite their advanced age. Dooku, Sidious, Vodo, GM Luke, Streen, so on and so forth. So unless it was stated his age brought impaired his ability by a good amount, I'm not going to create an argument out of pure conjecture, and cry He's out of his prime, broski!,All I see are excuses being made for a overrated duelist who's only showing is rather shitty.
Anakin's Djem So in particular made it very taxing on older individuals who didn't have the physical ability to go against it as we saw with Dooku.
No. Djem So particularly tax Makashi users. Unless I'm missing something, Cin wasn't a primary users of Form III.
Qui-Gon is another example. It can be argued that he could've beaten Maul if he was still in his physical prime.
It is reasonable to assume Cin did not fight off "a few clones" seeing that he was one of the few to survive long enough to face Anakin himself.
The "few" part was hyperbole, bruh. Regardless, fighting even dozens of clones is no excuse for him to be wrecked in seconds by a guy using one ****ing arm. Come on now. Not to mention, you're basing this on absolutely nothing at all. No canon source has even hinted what you're suggesting.
Low force ability does not equate to low saber ability and vice versa.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nigga, can you even read?I explicitly asked, where is the proof his age vitiated his physical attributes by a significant amount, not proof that it did. I know with age comes degradation of one physical abilities, but we're talking about Force users here. Were they're guys that are in absolute great physical shape despite their advanced age. Dooku, Sidious, Vodo, GM Luke, Streen, so on and so forth. So unless it was stated his age brought impaired his ability by a good amount, I'm not going to create an argument out of pure conjecture, and cry He's out of his prime, broski!,All I see are excuses being made for a overrated duelist who's only showing is rather shitty.
There is no proof; only reasonable speculation. Is there proof that Dooku and Sidious were in better physical shape than their younger selves? The difference is that these individuals allowed themselves to grow stronger in the force as they aged to compensate for the loss of physical strength and stamina. While sources state that Cin was a master duelist, there is little evidence to suggest that he was a powerful force user in terms of outright TK. As Dooku aged, he became more reliant on TK and lightning in his duels to take out opponents as his stamina decreased. Sidious hardly touched a light-saber at all in his later years instead relying solely on force powers. Cin relied primarily upon his raw dueling skill instead of spamming force (again inferred as there isn't anything to suggest he was very accomplished in the force beyond the average jedi master.)
Also Dooku fights with one hand all the time and humiliates people including Anakin; why does it matter?
No. Djem So particularly tax [i]Makashi users. Unless I'm missing something, Cin wasn't a primary users of Form III. [/B]
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[i]The "few" part was hyperbole, bruh. Regardless, fighting even dozens of clones is no excuse for him to be wrecked in seconds by a guy using one ****ing arm. Come on now. Not to mention, you're basing this on absolutely nothing at all. No canon source has even hinted what you're suggesting. [/B]
[i]If Cin's Force abilities are so bad, and Lightsaber ability hinges on strength in the Force - did why do you believe Cin has elite saber skills? Isn't that a colossal paradox? What you're saying trying to claim is equivalent to 2 - 1 = 3, kek. [/B]
Skill and the ability to win in a duel aren't always related: Savage Oppress followed no lightsaber form yet could defeat jedi masters. This was due to other attributes like his strength and TK power. Anakin had youth and environmental conditions on his side. Cin was his teacher at one point.
My argument is that Qui-Gon lost to Maul because he suffered from age-related fatigue and stamina issues rather than from a difference in skill level.
Looking at the footnote for the sentence that claims Qui-Gon was suffering from fatigue related issues, I can link it to The Phantom Menace Novel. If I had the book on me, I would quote directly from it. Since I don't, Wiki is next best thing.
Um, no. The novel actually paints it as being Maul's game beginning to end -- he could've killed Jinn after a 30 second duel on Tatooine if it wasn't for a leg injury. In their final engagement, he not only had to ward off someone with comparable skill and superior speed to Qui-Gon alongside Jinn, but he was playing defensive primarily to separate them. Jinn's own physical inferiority was just another disadvantage. But even if he was in his "physical prime", his Force reserves would probably be less than what they were in TPM and the result would ultimately be the same.
But yeah, lol at quoting wikias.
Originally posted by MythLord
Um, no. The novel actually paints it as being Maul's game beginning to end -- he could've killed Jinn after a 30 second duel on Tatooine if it wasn't for a leg injury. In their final engagement, he not only had to ward off someone with comparable skill and superior speed to Qui-Gon alongside Jinn, but he was playing defensive primarily to separate them. Jinn's own physical inferiority was just another disadvantage. But even if he was in his "physical prime", his Force reserves would probably be less than what they were in TPM and the result would ultimately be the same.But yeah, lol at quoting wikias.
Originally posted by Kurk
Sources? If you don't have the book available a Wiki quote linked to the novel should be sufficient. I seriously don't understand what's wrong with using Wookieepedia with caution.
Because Wookiepedia has said Jerec uses Makashi and linked it to a guide about vehicles(lol), said Mace knows Sith Sorcery, said Kit Fisto drove back Dooku, all linked to random stuff and has been editted by one of my friends to just say "fap" on one of the pages and it took quite a time before those who edit it to notice and change it back. Basic point: I can go there, edit it and make it say Dooku can oblitirate a planet and it's said in: Book of the Sith: Golden Delux Tyranus edition.
Also, the fact that Wookiepedia sometimes takes quotes/scenes more than a bit out of context.
Look up the source, download it from the Hungry Ewok site, and then see for yourself.
Originally posted by MythLord
Because Wookiepedia has said Jerec uses Makashi and linked it to a guide about vehicles(lol), said Mace knows Sith Sorcery, said Kit Fisto drove back Dooku, all linked to random stuff and has been editted by one of my friends to just say "fap" on one of the pages and it took quite a time before those who edit it to notice and change it back. Basic point: I can go there, edit it and make it say Dooku can oblitirate a planet and it's said in: Book of the Sith: Golden Delux Tyranus edition.
Also, the fact that Wookiepedia sometimes takes quotes/scenes more than a bit out of context.Look up the source, download it from the Hungry Ewok site, and then see for yourself.
Originally posted by MythLord
Because Wookiepedia has said Jerec uses Makashi and linked it to a guide about vehicles(lol), said Mace knows Sith Sorcery, said Kit Fisto drove back Dooku, all linked to random stuff and has been editted by one of my friends to just say "fap" on one of the pages and it took quite a time before those who edit it to notice and change it back. Basic point: I can go there, edit it and make it say Dooku can oblitirate a planet and it's said in: Book of the Sith: Golden Delux Tyranus edition.
Also, the fact that Wookiepedia sometimes takes quotes/scenes more than a bit out of context.Look up the source, download it from the Hungry Ewok site, and then see for yourself.
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We once came across a quote saying Dooku, Windu and Jinn were parallels as duelists, when in actuality the source made no mention of Qui-Gon at all.