Originally posted by Sin I AM
[BThat being said I'm an American. Staunch conservative. Champion of democracy. I love my motherphuckin country. I shit red/white &blue. But I'm a woman. And im of mixed heritage. A devout southern Baptist who converted to Islam and dumped that for atheism. Im a conundrum. And even that short description doesnt encompass who i REALLY AM. And thats how you gotta address these situations. This isnt ww2 and nazis. These are homegrown people who are disenfranchised with our country. Terrorist looking to pick a fight. Cowards hiding behind religion to gain followers. Attack the root and not the branches. [/B]
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Religion as a whole is regressive. Its built on archaic laws and thinking so there's no disagreement there.
TBH I'd recommend works by Emile Durkheim, Mircea Eliade or Rene Girard-- all sociologists, philosophers and scholars of religion.
Their message seems to be that secularism robs people of the wholeness of the experience of being human.
Given that we all operate as both homo religious (spiritual man) and homo modernus (secular man) to various extends and that this is the state of the humankind, becoming totally secular actually withholds us.
I personally would say the best option for you is to get to the teachings of Jesus and embrace the Gospel (big surprise there, I know, given that I am Catholic 😉 )
If you are fed up somehow with Christianity, the next best option may be Judaism.
If you are fed up with Abrahamic religion, then possibly... Buddhism?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
As far as polls go I take them with the infinitesimally smallest grain of salt. I've never been polled in my life so i highly doubt it's accuracy. But i value your opinion nevertheless
I can very well claim that the poll is a bit inaccurate, for some of those Muslim did not want to reveal the full extent of their radical beliefs 👆
On the other hand, Pew Research study is collaborated by CNN poll n British Muslims, the German and Austrian polls provided by Parmaniac etc. Obviously social sciences are not hard sciences like physics, but they indeed show the general trends, and within Muslims those trends are dangerously bad.
However, please do not treat my post as an avid criticism. I absolutely understand where you are coming from 👆
I myself have a few Muslim friends who are moderate Muslims and proud Polish citizens. One of them actually calls himself ”a cultural Muslim”, that is, he does not believe in Allah, but he embraces the “Muslim” culture. On the other hand he admits that back in Egypt he would be violently treated if someone found out he is an atheist...
I think your concern is mirrored by what Milo Yiannopoulos says.
In the west Muslim tend to be moderate (also collaborated by Pew Research study) but on the whole, they are radicalized. And in the countries like the US, says Milo, you have ever experienced really either moderate, law-abiding and friendly Muslims of your neighborhood, or extremely violent Muslim terrorists. But the radical majority of Muslims worldwide is there. Better not to import in into the US 👆
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cop out? I said I DON'T CARE. It doesnt bother me what you call it. I'm a military vet with actual combat tours. Ive trained with, fought beside muslims and engaged islamic enemy combatants in multiple countries. If someone gets in front of me in a combat zone idgaf what terminology you use to discern them im putting them down. And that was then on active duty and now as a contractor. And you can ask anyone who served over there in a combat mos and theyd say the same. Its semantics. Its bs talking points for political pundits/internet trolls who dont have to risk their lives. But to actual trigger pullers we dont GAF.
You say you don't care while at the same time feeding me bullshit about why these other people care.
NOW in regards to myself i was a practicing muslim while a marine during OIF 1. Talk about a MINDPHUCK. I am familiar with the culture and the people. Hell ive fought beside them. There is no more in depth than that. And im telling you it alienates islamist by adding that little radical to their religion. I dont know why. Maybe its because they hold their religion sacred and instead of just calling a terrorist a terrorist youre taking a side jab at islam. Who knows. And honestly at this stage why is it important? Y because people like to stereotype. Let's lump this group together because the have the same mo. It just doesnt work like that. And thats why this countries war on terror is so ass backwards because noone is taking the time to know these people. To figure out when to but in and when to leave it alone.
The side jab isn't at the entire religion though. So it's utter ignorance to get pissed over it.
That being said I'm an American. Staunch conservative. Champion of democracy. I love my motherphuckin country. I shit red/white &blue. But I'm a woman. And im of mixed heritage. A devout southern Baptist who converted to Islam and dumped that for atheism. Im a conundrum. And even that short description doesnt encompass who i REALLY AM. And thats how you gotta address these situations. This isnt ww2 and nazis. These are homegrown people who are disenfranchised with our country. Terrorist looking to pick a fight. Cowards hiding behind religion to gain followers. Attack the root and not the branches.
If someone is alienated by calling this radical Islam? Good, because that shows me they weren't really on our side anyways and were just waiting for an excuse to play the victim. But if a large amount of their population is literally as stupid as you seem to imply that kind of worries me. Stupid people+religion is never a good mixture. Irrational people+ religion is never a good mix either.
When people talk about racist white people I don't take that as a condemnation of all white people. Why? Because the term "racist" was used in front of the word white, so it lets me know(as someone who knows what words mean) they aren't talking about all white people, but only those who exhibit racist behavior.
So now let us imagine someone was talking about racist white people and I got upset because I hold my race sacred so even putting any kind of negative description in front of the word "white" makes me angry. Can you give me a guess at how you think people would react? Just use your world experience you got from all your combat tours. What do you think people would say?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sin is a woman with a soul of a man.
I'll take your soul stilt
If you had one 😁
Originally posted by Stigma
Nah. There are different religions out there.TBH I'd recommend works by Emile Durkheim, Mircea Eliade or Rene Girard-- all sociologists, philosophers and scholars of religion.
Their message seems to be that secularism robs people of the wholeness of the experience of being human.Given that we all operate as both homo religious (spiritual man) and homo modernus (secular man) to various extends and that this is the state of the humankind, becoming totally secular actually withholds us.
I personally would say the best option for you is to get to the teachings of Jesus and embrace the Gospel (big surprise there, I know, given that I am Catholic 😉 )
If you are fed up somehow with Christianity, the next best option may be Judaism.
If you are fed up with Abrahamic religion, then possibly... Buddhism?
TBH when you say we need to treat the Pew Research study with a grain of salt you’d need to say exactly why is that.
I can very well claim that the poll is a bit inaccurate, for some of those Muslim did not want to reveal the full extent of their radical beliefs 👆
On the other hand, Pew Research study is collaborated by CNN poll n British Muslims, the German and Austrian polls provided by Parmaniac etc. Obviously social sciences are not hard sciences like physics, but they indeed show the general trends, and within Muslims those trends are dangerously bad.
However, please do not treat my post as an avid criticism. I absolutely understand where you are coming from 👆
I myself have a few Muslim friends who are moderate Muslims and proud Polish citizens. One of them actually calls himself ”a cultural Muslim”, that is, he does not believe in Allah, but he embraces the “Muslim” culture. On the other hand he admits that back in Egypt he would be violently treated if someone found out he is an atheist...
I think your concern is mirrored by what Milo Yiannopoulos says.
In the west Muslim tend to be moderate (also collaborated by Pew Research study) but on the whole, they are radicalized. And in the countries like the US, says Milo, you have ever experienced really either moderate, law-abiding and friendly Muslims of your neighborhood, or extremely violent Muslim terrorists. But the radical majority of Muslims worldwide is there. Better not to import in into the US 👆
Ok you're saying alot and I'm not feeling a grandiose retort so I will keep it simple. As far as religion goes i disagree. To me it's archaic. I have an in depth personal knowledge with it. I just realized i DONT need it. The whole idea that i need an organization or book or predetermined set of rules to attain oneness with an enlightened being is...simply stupid to me.
The whole idea of a God at times is often ludicrous. I mean we are ALL his children right? But hed let us rape, murder kill our siblings and NOT STEP IN all for the sake of free will? Naw..if there is a benevolent being in the clouds phuck him. But there are times when I do feel a closeness with something that i cant explain when im meditating so who's to say *shrugs* ...i believe now u can be spiritual without any set of rules except you own.
As far as polls go i just dont trust them because ive never been polled. Ive never understood the "science" behind it. When i see things like 1 in 5 blacks will get AIDs or 1 in 3 women will be raped blah blah i just dont buy it. I was looking at a poll from about a year ago that gave trump no chance of ever winning and here we are...
As far as the radical thing i think we've covered that ad nauseam but I will just say that i dont know. I just dont. It's just offensive to some. Not so much to others. If someone could explain to me how that prefix could solve one problem id concede but as is its just another moniker
Originally posted by Surtur
You say you don't care while at the same time feeding me bullshit about why these other people care.The side jab isn't at the entire religion though. So it's utter ignorance to get pissed over it.
If someone is alienated by calling this radical Islam? Good, because that shows me they weren't really on our side anyways and were just waiting for an excuse to play the victim. But if a large amount of their population is literally as stupid as you seem to imply that kind of worries me. Stupid people+religion is never a good mixture. Irrational people+ religion is never a good mix either.
When people talk about racist white people I don't take that as a condemnation of all white people. Why? Because the term "racist" was used in front of the word white, so it lets me know(as someone who knows what words mean) they aren't talking about all white people, but only those who exhibit racist behavior.
So now let us imagine someone was talking about racist white people and I got upset because I hold my race sacred so even putting any kind of negative description in front of the word "white" makes me angry. Can you give me a guess at how you think people would react? Just use your world experience you got from all your combat tours. What do you think people would say?
You asked i answered. It simply does not matter in the grand scheme of things what we call them. It doesnt. You say im feeding you bullshit but Im telling you from real life experience.
It is a perceived slight. Call it stupid just shows your lack of acceptance on an opinion different than your own. I cant explain it any further unless i bought you a ticket to kuwait and took you on a trek thru out the middle east. You gotta open your world view up hun. You really HAVE to actually talk to these people in order you understand them. You cant rationalize it away.
As far as the race/white thing you brought up youd probably get laughed at. Whites are seen( generally speaking) as at the top of the totem pole so any perceived feelings of racism against them would either be seen as well warranted or laughable.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
It is a perceived slight. Call it stupid just shows your lack of acceptance on an opinion different than your own. I cant explain it any further unless i bought you a ticket to kuwait and took you on a trek thru out the middle east. You gotta open your world view up hun. You really HAVE to actually talk to these people in order you understand them. You cant rationalize it away.
It's not about not accepting another opinion. What reason can you give me for them not being able to separate a radical Islamist from a normal Islamist? WHY can't they? You haven't explained it yet. You say they hold their faith sacred, but it's not the entire faith being attacked. If you are saying you feel they do feel it is an attack on all muslims that is fine, but then I would expect you to also acknowledge that is not rational or logical. Not when the term "radical" is being put in front of Islam. It's being ignorant if these people ignore that.
Here is the thing, this not even an opinion. Radical Islam doesn't refer to all of Islam. If it did there would be no reason to put the term "radical" in front of it. That actually isn't up for debate. This is like saying 2+2=4 is an opinion. Radical Islam does not mean all of Islam, and thinking otherwise stems from ignorance.
As far as the race/white thing you brought up youd probably get laughed at. Whites are seen( generally speaking) as at the top of the totem pole so any perceived feelings of racism against them would either be seen as well warranted or laughable.
But that is my point. If someone is talking about racism perpetrated by whites, legit acts of racism, and is talking about white racism..you agree it would be silly for me to get upset and act like that is a judgement on the entire white race, right?
You also blamed my way of thinking on "white privilege" so does that mean you feel that only a white person in this country could feel the way I do? If you knew I was black and I was saying all the same things I have said, what would you of used in place of "white privilege"?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did i imply it didnt? If so sorry because i know it does. Im just saying its rarely if ever called out
This is because people are stupid and think that unless you were oppressed in the past you can't experience racism. This line of thought comes from the exact same type of person who holds silly beliefs like "black people can't be racist". I have literally seen that said before.
Just like the double standards of racial pride. If someone takes pride in being white they are just a white supremacist automatically. But it's perfectly fine to be proud you are black or hispanic.
EDIT: Also wait, in my example did you think I was talking about racism AGAINST white people? Since you said if perceived racism happens it is either well warranted or laughable. Racism is never ever justified, so I had to assume you were talking about whites accused of being racist being justified. Unless you're talking about something being perceived as racist when it really isn't, which is fine, I just wanted it to be crystal clear you aren't saying racism against whites can at times be warranted.
So look at this little gem about the Orlando gunman being buried in a muslim cemetery.
Him being buried in the cemetery is not what I care about. What I care about is this line:
"Another cemetery official said he was unaware of Mateen's burial. He called Mateen "a bad guy" but defended the decision to accept his remains, saying, "Everybody deserves a place and we don't know his side of the story so he is entitled to be buried like anyone else,"
We don't know his side of the story? WTF? What kind of awful human being would say such a thing?
Originally posted by Surtur
It's not about not accepting another opinion. What reason can you give me for them not being able to separate a radical Islamist from a normal Islamist? WHY can't they? You haven't explained it yet. You say they hold their faith sacred, but it's not the entire faith being attacked. If you are saying you feel they do feel it is an attack on all muslims that is fine, but then I would expect you to also acknowledge that is not rational or logical. Not when the term "radical" is being put in front of Islam. It's being ignorant if these people ignore that.Here is the thing, this not even an opinion. Radical Islam doesn't refer to all of Islam. If it did there would be no reason to put the term "radical" in front of it. That actually isn't up for debate. This is like saying 2+2=4 is an opinion. Radical Islam does not mean all of Islam, and thinking otherwise stems from ignorance.
But that is my point. If someone is talking about racism perpetrated by whites, legit acts of racism, and is talking about white racism..you agree it would be silly for me to get upset and act like that is a judgement on the entire white race, right?
You also blamed my way of thinking on "white privilege" so does that mean you feel that only a white person in this country could feel the way I do? If you knew I was black and I was saying all the same things I have said, what would you of used in place of "white privilege"?
This is because people are stupid and think that unless you were oppressed in the past you can't experience racism. This line of thought comes from the exact same type of person who holds silly beliefs like "black people can't be racist". I have literally seen that said before.
Just like the double standards of racial pride. If someone takes pride in being white they are just a white supremacist automatically. But it's perfectly fine to be proud you are black or hispanic.
EDIT: Also wait, in my example did you think I was talking about racism AGAINST white people? Since you said if perceived racism happens it is either well warranted or laughable. Racism is never ever justified, so I had to assume you were talking about whites accused of being racist being justified. Unless you're talking about something being perceived as racist when it really isn't, which is fine, I just wanted it to be crystal clear you aren't saying racism against whites can at times be warranted.
Short and sweet. I cant explain it more simply than go to the middle east and see for yourself. You can preach all day but until you immerse yourself in the culture you wont understand their perspective.
Whites have systematically propelled themselves to a position of prominence since this countries inception. Its ingrained our society that white means right. Youd have to have lived in a cave to not know this. Spend any amount of time with a minority and you will see it firsthand. Is racism wrong? Yes. But the difference between the things white "suffer" and other races due to racism is astronomical. In order to understand better get some black friends or spanish friend. Hell visit a reservation and ask them how they feel about white privilege.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cop out? I said I DON'T CARE. It doesnt bother me what you call it. I'm a military vet with actual combat tours. Ive trained with, fought beside muslims and engaged islamic enemy combatants in multiple countries. If someone gets in front of me in a combat zone idgaf what terminology you use to discern them im putting them down. And that was then on active duty and now as a contractor. And you can ask anyone who served over there in a combat mos and theyd say the same. Its semantics. Its bs talking points for political pundits/internet trolls who dont have to risk their lives. But to actual trigger pullers we dont GAF.NOW in regards to myself i was a practicing muslim while a marine during OIF 1. Talk about a MINDPHUCK. I am familiar with the culture and the people. Hell ive fought beside them. There is no more in depth than that. And im telling you it alienates islamist by adding that little radical to their religion. I dont know why. Maybe its because they hold their religion sacred and instead of just calling a terrorist a terrorist youre taking a side jab at islam. Who knows. And honestly at this stage why is it important? Y because people like to stereotype. Let's lump this group together because the have the same mo. It just doesnt work like that. And thats why this countries war on terror is so ass backwards because noone is taking the time to know these people. To figure out when to but in and when to leave it alone.
And another thing America dug/digs this pit with a shitty foreign policy. We are in everything. We have more troops in Europe than Europe does. We got people all over the globe and we wonder y when we have some tribe perform a coup because we're mad at this one particular warlord that the locals hate us. It's our god complex that phucks us.
That being said I'm an American. Staunch conservative. Champion of democracy. I love my motherphuckin country. I shit red/white &blue. But I'm a woman. And im of mixed heritage. A devout southern Baptist who converted to Islam and dumped that for atheism. Im a conundrum. And even that short description doesnt encompass who i REALLY AM. And thats how you gotta address these situations. This isnt ww2 and nazis. These are homegrown people who are disenfranchised with our country. Terrorist looking to pick a fight. Cowards hiding behind religion to gain followers. Attack the root and not the branches.
Just had to weigh in on this. I don't post much but I know who you are Sin, and you are no staunch conservative. I have highly doubted your authenticity and your character and everything you say fro here on out, and I can assume everyone else will based on this:
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I'm a liberal democrat.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Short and sweet. I cant explain it more simply than go to the middle east and see for yourself. You can preach all day but until you immerse yourself in the culture you wont understand their perspective.
What about their culture prevents them from understanding what words mean? This shouldn't be complicated. What about this religion makes them so blindly irrational? What about this religion breeds such ignorance? If it's still going to be "you have to meet them to understand" well fair enough, but it would be a waste of anyone's time to try to understand ignorance because there is no an excuse for it.
Whites have systematically propelled themselves to a position of prominence since this countries inception. Its ingrained our society that white means right.
What does this have to do anything in regards to what I said? It doesn't make racism against anyone okay. It doesn't make pride in your race taboo for one group but okay for another.
Youd have to have lived in a cave to not know this. Spend any amount of time with a minority and you will see it firsthand. Is racism wrong? Yes. But the difference between the things white "suffer" and other races due to racism is astronomical.
Nobody is saying whites suffered racism on the same level. On the other hand racism against whites is actually more quickly dismissed than racism against others and that in itself is racism. I'm not joking or exaggerating when I say a mod here literally told me I couldn't talk about racism experienced by whites because a majority of racism isn't against whites. That is the exact type of BS we don't need in this country.
In order to understand better get some black friends or spanish friend. Hell visit a reservation and ask them how they feel about white privilege.
You didn't answer my one question though, I know blacks who feel the same way I do about this muslim issue. So what would you say to them? What kind of privilege would you blame that on?
Based on my post above you are wasting your time with someone of her character. Anyone who says within a few days apart they are a liberal democrat and a staunch conservative should be put on ignore. The time wasted on such an individual is only your loss. This just confirms and puts her as a nonsensical political troll.