Saying it was "religion" is too broad a term. Not all religion is this extreme or holds the same beliefs.
This was straight up radical Islam. I'm sorry if people aren't comfortable with this truth being pointed out, but are we humans or are we ostriches? If we're ostriches then okay burying our heads in the sand over this is totally cool.
But then I don't expect it to end here, I want our heads buried for : racism, sexism, and political correctness too. It's an all or nothing thing.
I know, I was being sarcastic 🙂
Originally posted by SurturFair.
Saying it was "religion" is too broad a term. Not all religion is this extreme or holds the same beliefs.This was straight up radical Islam. I'm sorry if people aren't comfortable with this truth being pointed out, but are we humans or are we ostriches? If we're ostriches then okay burying our heads in the sand over this is totally cool.
But then I don't expect it to end here, I want our heads buried for : racism, sexism, and political correctness too. It's an all or nothing thing.
Ostriches seems to be doing alright tho. 🙂
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Yea, the Joseph Stalin who killed every denomination regardless of religion because he was a Communist/Secularist, and the same goes with Mao. No amount of idiot revisionist history according to you is going to change that. Nice try though 👆Who's responsible for more deaths in the 20th century than in the past 5-10,000 years? Hint: It's secularists/policies based on political ideologies, not religions 😂
It is not atheism or secularism when you install yourself as a supreme ruler and suppress all religions; it is eliminating the competition.
Originally posted by Surtur
We don't have Christians really going on murder spree's here like this, so if I said "it happened in the USA" and you answered anything but an Islamist I'm afraid I wouldn't even believe you truly think that. So I suppose your manner of response already answered my question.
Matthew Shepard was not murdered by Muslims, nor are the vast majority of LGBT people who are the victims of bias-motivated crimes in America. I do not need you to tell me who the biggest perpetrators of violence against my own community are in America, thank you very much.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Matthew Shepard was not murdered by Muslims, nor are the vast majority of LGBT people who are the victims of bias-motivated crimes in America. I do not need you to tell me who the biggest perpetrators of violence against my own community are in America, thank you very much.
Yep Matthew Shepard wasn't killed by Muslims. Nobody said that every single crime committed against gays is muslims.
A majority of the time when someone is murdering homosexuals in this country? It's not Christians. Also I tell you that it's really just muslims going on murder spree's over this and your response is "Matthew Shepard wasn't murdered by muslims". Well okay. Matthew Shepard wasn't part of a mass murder plot.. So while we're stating facts about Matt we should include that as well.
So radical Islam is responsible for Orlando, right?
Originally posted by Surtur
Because if you believe this was radical Islam then do you not feel your question was utterly silly? Why wouldn't we give something the appropriate label? The only reason not to do so is if the label doesn't apply.So again I ask: do you feel this wasn't radical Islam? If it wasn't, okay, if it was then please explain why it's wrong to call it that.
You really should be a politician the way you dodge questions with another series of questions. Yea sure it's radical islam, its a homophobic terrorist, its an extremist attack, a home grown mass murderer. Semantics really. Now what? You still didnt answer my question.
How exactly is calling it radical islam going to change anything?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You really should be a politician the way you dodge questions with another series of questions. Yea sure it's radical islam, its a homophobic terrorist, its an extremist attack, a home grown mass murderer. Semantics really. Now what? You still didnt answer my question.How exactly is calling it radical islam going to change anything?
But you see your answer to my question could have an effect on how I answer you. Since you've yet to list any good reason why we shouldn't label it radical Islam. You just said it was radical Islam.
So I'm baffled you just asked me why would should correctly label things? Isn't that obvious? Why shouldn't we call it radical Islam if it's radical Islam? You never actually explained why. If calling it radical Islam changes nothing..then..call it radical Islam lol.
Or here I can sum this up: we should call it radical Islam because it is radical Islam. We are not meant to get anything out of this, we are not meant to change anything by applying appropriate labels to things. We don't hesitate to label something as racist or police brutality, so we shouldn't hesitate to call radical Islam..radical Islam.
If someone is not into radical Islam, but follows the religion, and then they suddenly sympathize with ISIS because we labeled this radical Islam...that person is a piece of utter horse shit, right? I mean you agree with that, right? That anyone so easily swayed to sympathize with ISIS is just a pathetic excuse for a person?
Originally posted by Surtur
Not all homophobia is the same, just like not all racism is the same. There is a difference between calling a black guy the N word and hanging him from a tree with a lynch mob.It's the same here, Christians can be homophobic and intolerant, but they aren't showing up with bullets and bombs due to their intolerance. The main religion in the world right now that is causing the most violence and turmoil isn't Christianity.
I mean if you watched the one clip I posted, some countries with heavy muslim populations actually celebrated the attacks in Orlando. Well not the entire country, but they had newspapers and shit with stories about how this was more or less a good thing.
There are Christians in America who celebrated the Orlando shootings!
Pastor Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church said:
"Fifty sodomites, homosexuals, have been killed. Another 50 injured and the Muslim guy himself was killed. The good news is that there are 50 less perverts and pedophiles on the planet . . . the bad news is that this will be used to push for gun control where normal law-abiding Americans will not be able to get guns."
He regularly calls for gay people to be executed.
Pastor Roger Jimenez of Verity Baptist Church said:
"People say, like, 'Well, aren’t you sad that 50 sodomites died?' Here’s the problem with that. It’s like the equivalent of asking me, what if you asked me, 'Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?'
Um, no, I think that’s great. I think that helps society. You know, I think Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight.
The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die. The tragedy is, I’m kind of upset that he didn’t finish the job!"
Televangelist Pat Robertson of The 700 Club said:
"The best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let [gays and Muslims] kill themselves."
Nobody said they can't be hateful, they just aren't the people blowing up themselves and committing MASS MURDER.
I mean seriously, nobody said Christians are just chalk full of hugs and rainbows. Their bark tends to be bigger than their bite though. It doesn't make it right, it just means they aren't out going on murder spree's because their sky god told them a certain group of people are bad.
We have more Christians here, so if you're gay yep you are more likely to experience intolerance from a Christian than a Muslim. But they usually won't be trying to gun you down.
Originally posted by Surtur
A majority of the time when someone is murdering homosexuals in this country? It's not Christians.
Yes, it is. You are completely, demonstrably wrong. This is a majority Christian country. And the vast majority of violence perpetrated against LGBT people in America is by people who identify as Christians.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also I tell you that it's really just muslims going on murder spree's over this and your response is "Matthew Shepard wasn't murdered by muslims". Well okay. Matthew Shepard wasn't part of a mass murder plot.. So while we're stating facts about Matt we should include that as well.
This is not the first LGBT night club attack in American history. There have been many instances, including arsons and bombings, that resulted in mass casualties, and those were not caused by Muslims either, those were also Christians. Sorry your knowledge of violence against this community only goes back to last week.
Originally posted by Surtur
So radical Islam is responsible for Orlando, right?
Fundamentalist Islam.
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody said they can't be hateful, they just aren't the people blowing up themselves and committing MASS MURDER.I mean seriously, nobody said Christians are just chalk full of hugs and rainbows. Their bark tends to be bigger than their bite though. It doesn't make it right, it just means they aren't out going on murder spree's because their sky god told them a certain group of people are bad.
We have more Christians here, so if you're gay yep you are more likely to experience intolerance from a Christian than a Muslim. But they usually won't be trying to gun you down.
If you think that, try being gay in America.
I'm not talking about just violence, but outright murder. Christians are not blowing themselves up in the name of their God, they are not going on murder spree's in the name of their God.
This is one of the largest mass shootings and history and you want to say Christians do shit like this all the time? What the f*ck?
On the matter of secularism as a driving force behind Communism:
"[Religion] in its very essence is the mortal enemy of Communism." -- Leon Trocky
(note: a Marxist revolutionary and theorist, Soviet politician, and the founding leader of the Red Army)
"Atheism is the core of the whole Soviet system." -- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
(note: a Russian novelist, historian, and short story writer. He was an outspoken critic of the Soviet Union and its totalitarianism and helped to raise global awareness of its Gulag forced labor camp system)
* Both quotes taken from introduction to a historical study Stalin's Holy War by Steven Merritt Miner, The University of North Carolina Press, 2003.
On Communists drive towards secularism:
Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
Stalin was also reported to write in his private diary that he believes that God does not exist. But I forgot where I have the book so I won't give the exact details.
Regardless, to anyone who lived under the Communist system (like my parents and grand-parents generation, as well as many of my friends), or lives in post-communist counrty (like me) atheistic motivations of Communist regimes are a historical fact.
Attempts at revisionist history will not remove that stain 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, try being gay in a country with a large muslim population. You like bungee jumping off buildings without the bungee cord, right man? Drink some red bull before hand, it'll give you wings.
BTW @ Adam, I'll remember to absolutely decimate you while I address your posts, but Poland plays Ukraine at Euro in 40 min so I need to get going. Wait your turn 😉
Originally posted by Adam_PoEmy lord, your desperate rationalizations are incompatible with reality, it's embarrassing. You haven't said anything remotely accurate in this thread.
It is not atheism or secularism when you install yourself as a supreme ruler and suppress all religions; it is eliminating the competition.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not talking about just violence, but outright murder. Christians are not blowing themselves up in the name of their God, they are not going on murder spree's in the name of their God.This is one of the largest mass shootings and history and you want to say Christians do shit like this all the time? What the f*ck?
No, Christians just blow up abortion clinics and gay bars. There is an entire laundry list of such incidents prior to this. But hey, a Muslim did this one, so those others never happened.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you think that, try being gay in America.
I wouldn't say that being gay is all rainbows and unicorns in the USA. That said express your homosexuality in a country where islam is the dominant religion and check back in with me.
Besides who tries to be gay, you either are gay or not.