Darth Nyriss vs. Galen Marek

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What does that even mean? None of SWTOR's feats are more overblown than what's shown in KotOR II. It's consistent with other material and, better yet, shows non-Force sensitives clearly challenging Force-users. With TFU, we have a portrayal of Darth Vader unlike anything we've seen before in his 30 some years of publication, an apprentice who magically has the same potential as Luke Skywalker despite going through training less rigorous than what Maul endured under Palpatine, and feats that no one has come close to replicating. There's no comparison to be made here.

We see "inconsistency" all the time in Star Wars, even in canon. Examine the Power Creep: compare Vader's performance against Old Ben to his performance against Ahsoka in Rebels. Compare Old Ben to Dooku, twenty years Obi-Wan's senior. Compare Luke Skywalker to Ezra Bridger. Hell, compare Force feats from season 1 & 2 of TCW to seasons 3-6.

The idea that the inconsistency is grounds to disregard it is stupid. Guess we have to disregard anything post-1977.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
106.

Alright, that's it, I'm using Bastila Shan being a peer to Dooku and Kenobi for now on if shit like this is going to be used. 😬

Also, the source claims ESB Skywalker (based on the image being used) would defeat Starkiller, so great. Starkiller's total trash. 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
We see "inconsistency" all the time in Star Wars, even in canon. Examine the Power Creep: compare Vader's performance against Old Ben to his performance against Ahsoka in Rebels. Compare Old Ben to Dooku, twenty years Obi-Wan's senior. Compare Luke Skywalker to Ezra Bridger. Hell, compare Force feats from season 1 & 2 of TCW to seasons 3-6.

You don't debate friend.

I've been doing so for a couple pages now or so. Can you read?

You just stand in the corner and wait for people to heap praise on your head.

Dunno how I ever gain this "elite" reputation if I never actually debate. Paradoxical shit indeed, DD.

which is why you're making one off comments about your superiority rather then actually debating and proving your point.

Nah. I'm actually one of the more liberal guys on here. I don't treat my opinions, or views as facts. You responded in a somewhat condescending way, while not actually rebutting any of my points - and I replied in kind.

Ah. I see your maturity levels are at around the same level as a moderately intelligent 14 year olds.

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Lololololol. You thought i was going to quit SW debating a hobby I've been taking part in for more then half of your lifetime because you were disappointed in me?! xD I'm sorry if you took that seriously and it caused you stress Ant but I thought it was pretty clear I was joking. You can ask Skillz in your next pow wow we had a long discussion about it over Skype.

So if you don't think beings draining entire planets is exaggerated then why do you have a problem with TFU or OCW?

Non force users showing capabilities that no character up until Luke Skywalker or DE Sidious were able to match.

What did Darth Vader do in TFU that was outside of capabilities he'd shown in other mediums?

You're born with potential, it doesn't come about through training. I shouldn't have to tell the Revan fanboy who touts his character as "The Heart of the Force" this.

Also how the heck do you know that Galen's training was less vigorous then Maul's?

Valkorian, Luke, Yoda, Rivu Ani, Vader, Nihilus, Jadus, Malgus, Revan, Mace, Anakin and plenty of others have accomplished similar or far greater feats so I don't know what you're referring to. Also since as you mentioned Galen was supposed to have Luke level potential why wouldn't the feats he accomplished make sense in that context?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
We see "inconsistency" all the time in Star Wars, even in canon. Examine the Power Creep: compare Vader's performance against Old Ben to his performance against Ahsoka in Rebels. Compare Old Ben to Dooku, twenty years Obi-Wan's senior. Compare Luke Skywalker to Ezra Bridger. Hell, compare Force feats from season 1 & 2 of TCW to seasons 3-6.

The idea that the inconsistency is grounds to disregard it is stupid. Guess we have to disregard anything post-1977.

My god you've become senile.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I've been doing so for a couple pages now or so. Can you read?

Dunno how I ever gain this "elite" reputation if I never actually debate. Paradoxical shit indeed, DD.

Nah. I'm actually one of the more liberal guys on here. I don't treat my opinions, or views as facts. You responded in a somewhat condescending way, while not actually rebutting any of my points - and I replied in kind.

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Pretty well most of the time. I'm having difficulties conceiving of the notion that what you've been doing for these last few pages has been "debate."

It's pretty simple really. You go into a thread, agree with what the majority says and do this often for a long period of time then BAM you have your reputation.

When you're discounting feats simply because you think they're exaggerated in a franchise which is filled with contradictions and exaggerated feats it's a little frustrating admittedly. Sorry if I seemed a little pompous to you in my response. I can see why you would have thought that.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
My god you've become senile.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Pretty well most of the time. I'm having difficulties conceiving of the notion that what you've been doing for these last few pages has been "debate."

It's pretty simple really. You go into a thread, agree with what the majority says and do this often for a long period of time then BAM you have your reputation.

When you're discounting feats simply because you think they're exaggerated in a franchise which is filled with contradictions and exaggerated feats it's a little frustrating admittedly. Sorry if I seemed a little pompous to you in my response. I can see why you would have thought that.

Well DC go in for the kill - or will he miss the show and let DD return a blow? Stay tuned, folks.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn, housed. 👆

Ant this is where your inexperience with the world doesn't do you any favors. Saying "Oh wow you just got him real good." To a person arguing with someone who was just seen arguing with you doesn't add credence to the former's post. This is especially so when the latter doing this hasn't responded to the person in question's rebuttal which you yourself have not. I would have though you'd know this as it's a common tactic used in forums but apparently not.

Cringe.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Wait, so most of your Starkiller quotes come from the same source that states Ventress would lose to Brood in a fight? 😂

Yep. And it says she'd lose due to overconfidence. I also draw evidence from sources that have Luke Skywalker nearly dying to Lumiya, that have Vitiate dying against an exhausted Jedi on a dark side nexus, that have Han Solo shooting Palpatine in the back, etc. and so forth. So I'm not sure what bearing that has on anything.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Alright, that's it, I'm using Bastila Shan being a peer to Dooku and Kenobi for now on if shit like this is going to be used. 😬

You do use quotes like that lol.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, the source claims ESB Skywalker (based on the image being used) would defeat Starkiller, so great. Starkiller's total trash. 👆

The source never actually claims which iteration of Skywalker is at play here. But given that Skywalker from the original trilogy is capable beating Vader, I wouldn't be surprised.

Ant
Which comparison did you list was inconsistent?

Ezra visually outperforms Luke, Dooku visually outperforms Old Ben, and Rebels!Vader visually outperforms Vader from A New Hope. Dooku is cowed by pirates in season 1, whereas season 3 Savage obliterates battle droids, super battle droids, and droidekas in a similar situation. There's a blatantly obvious power creep at work throughout canon. We see general performance increase from OT to PT, then from PT to TCW, then again within TCW itself.

But I know you're aware of that. 😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
DD trying to claim the maturity high ground but can't seem to mask the saltiness a mile away. mmm

Well DC go in for the kill - or will he miss the show and let DD return a blow? Stay tuned, folks.

Honestly I should expect it from you guys by now but I guess my stubborn nature just can't accept how ignorant some people can be.

Lol. Go in for the kill? Like you're doing I suppose.

Oh man please don't end my career Ant. I'm real sorry for what I said to you. You're just too smart for me. D:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yep. And it says she'd lose due to overconfidence. I also draw evidence from sources that have Luke Skywalker nearly dying to Lumiya, that have Vitiate dying against an exhausted Jedi on a dark side nexus, that have Han Solo shooting Palpatine in the back, etc. and so forth. So I'm not sure what bearing that has on anything.

You do use quotes like that lol.

The source never actually claims which iteration of Skywalker is at play here. But given that Skywalker from the original trilogy is capable beating Vader, I wouldn't be surprised.

Ezra visually outperforms Luke, Dooku visually outperforms Old Ben, and Rebels!Vader visually outperforms Vader from A New Hope. Dooku is cowed by pirates in season 1, whereas season 3 Savage obliterates battle droids, super battle droids, and droidekas in a similar situation. There's a blatantly obvious power creep at work throughout canon. We see general performance increase from OT to PT, then from PT to TCW, then again within TCW itself.

But I know you're aware of that. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
"Become?"

You're unusually transfixed with me, Ziggy. I don't know if I should be flattered or disgusted that I'm the most powerful force in your life. mmm

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
My god you've become senile.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm the most powerful force in your life. mmm

Diet-lightsnake. 👆

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Diet-lightsnake. 👆

You not only covet my attention on the reg., you now regurgitate my sobriquets for you. Truly I command your life. excellent