Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I honestly think ROTJ Sid ~ Valk in the force is the perfect ranking. It's the best of both worlds, incredibly beautiful to say the least. 🙂
Golden mean fallacy aside, by RotJ Sidious has pulled off some ludicrous feats that outstrip anything Valkorion has done on his own power.. He's even beat him on telepathy, affecting planetary populations - and even Coruscant - while Vitiate used a nexus and a ritual. Plus he has already unbalanced the Force, and can create, albeit not control, Force storms.
I am inclined to think that RotS Sidious could have done many of those things but needed to hide his presence.
Either way, Valkorion's power could lie anywhere from Plagueis (or below) to RotS Sidious, but RotJ is too much.
Also lightsaber skills would break the tie in a fight.
Putting Tenebrous below Vader must mean that Vader could snap Bane's neck with a gesture. There's a pretty huge gap between Tenebrous and Bane - certainly much larger than the one between Plagueis and Tenebrous.
For that reason, Tenebrous has to be way out of Dooku's league with the Force. Putting them in a similar tier is absolutely shameful.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Tenebrous couldn't rag-doll Bane either, kek's.
We can't say for sure, but Plagueis likely could. And someone above Tenebrous would be able to, as well.
Don't "kek" at me. Putting Dooku anywhere near someone who is the beneficiary of nine centuries of improvements since Darth Bane is kekworthy.
Is that why Plagueis praises Bane's power in the novel, Palpatine considers Bane among his most power ancestors, and Bane was represented as the embodiment of the ancient Sith Lords before Yoda on Korriban? mmm
If Bane was vastly inferior, Palpatine and Plagueis would look down upon him as a time when the Sith were weak. Instead, they consistently praise his power, which is even uncharacteristic of Palpatine to do so.
EDIT: before Ant's recent post
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Plagueis can't ragdoll / stomp Bane either. 😬
Ant, just making assertions on face doesn't constitute a valid argument. If we have thirty generations of confirmed power creep, and we know that in many of these cases the apprentice defeats the master in personal combat, usually before their own primes, and that this increase happens all the time - meaning that it has to be due to factors with a margin of error small relative to their effect - it becomes more likely than not that Sidious is ludicriously stronger than Bane. Otherwise it would be pretty silly for the sith to hide for a thousand years to get someone just marginally more powerful, whose master's master wasn't even above Dooku.
This isn't definitive proof, but it's better than what you have, .ie your baseless opinion.
@Ant - You can praise somebody's power and still stomp them. Plagueis praised Maul's martial ability as well, but he'd stomp him all the same.
They mostly praise Bane's strength of character/philosophy in that he chose to get rid of a weak Order and re-establish a more powerful one. They don't know for sure how powerful Bane actually was in life, only that they're better 🙂
Originally posted by SunRazer
[B]We can't say for sure, but Plagueis likely could. And someone above Tenebrous would be able to, as well.
Don't "kek" at me. Putting Dooku anywhere near someone who is the beneficiary of nine centuries of improvements since Darth Bane is kekworthy.
Saying Tenebrous > Revan is more kek worthy, IMO. 🙂
@Deronn_Solo - I don't know where you have Revan, but somebody who is nine centuries and thirty or so power growths above Bane being above Revan isn't hard to swallow... at all. On the other hand, Dooku being above Bane is already suspect, let alone around somebody with thirty power growths over Bane. You can't possibly argue that the former is the more laughable case.