Sabretooth vs. Panther

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Your joking right?

Never.

I've posted stuff with Panther tagging Spiderman who was on the evasive and Parker suggesting Panther is faster on not one but 2 occasions one even being recent.

Panther tagging Peter isn't the same as Logan not even being able to detect Sabretooth.

Try again.

Where as Parker-Lite stated to being faster and stronger then Logan, whereas I get a post with Parker questioning Wolverine's speed from believe you and then in the end Parker staying with the facts he's faster and you thought this was some kind of proof or something,

Parker was just stubborn of the belief that he was faster. Logan was actually supposed to defeat Parker in their first fight but the story was edited at the last minute.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/01/29/comic-book-legends-revealed-560/

B-but, Panther tagged Parker.............

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never.

Panther tagging Peter isn't the same as Logan not even being able to detect Sabretooth.

Try again.

Parker was just stubborn of the belief that he was faster. Logan was actually supposed to defeat Parker in their first fight but the story was edited at the last minute.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/01/29/comic-book-legends-revealed-560/

B-but, Panther tagged Parker.............

Well back to modern times and not this first fight stuff, what's your response to a clone of Parkers being stated as faster being Scarlet or the fact Superior was also faster then Logan?

Logan and Creed have traded blows you provided an instance that wasn't combat oriented and that was dusty as hell. And I'm suppose to try harder?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Already did. Combat ready Logan wasn't even able to detect Sabretooth. When are you going to stop slinking away from that?

Logan completely dominated creed in a matter of moments and left him lying in a pool of his own blood. While they may have been portrayed as equals several decades ago, we can clearly see that panther had the upper hand over Logan in this fight. And he didn't even get hit.
I think the picture is pretty clear.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Well back to modern times and not this first fight stuff, what's your response to a clone of Parkers being stated as faster being Scarlet or the fact Superior was also faster then Logan?

Again with ignoring on panel proof because its not from 2010 or the likes?

Kaine? He is faster and stronger than Parker as well. Superior Spider-man was full of his own shit. Him stating being faster than Logan doesn't makes it true. He said he was smarter than Tony too.

Logan and Creed have traded blows you provided an instance that wasn't combat oriented and that was dusty as hell. And I'm suppose to try harder?

Yes, because they can heal the damage and go at it as just savage animals.

When Panther can actually fight Peter on an equal footing let me know.

Or Red Skull for that matter.

Or a random Batman clone.

Or Killmonger.

Or Man-Ape.

I'm not sure if the virus was affecting Logan but apparently he was sick in the Pamther instance. I honestly don't see it changing much and yeah I'm using Parker as a bench because he kinda shows us this combat speed difference in a way. I'm not suggesting Panther is untouchable but in a fight I expect him to get more hits and less tagged.

I don't get why Creed was ever being suggest to be untouchable practically by anyone, so I appreciate the scan post.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again with ignoring on panel proof because its not from 2010 or the likes?

Kaine? He is faster and stronger than Parker as well. Superior Spider-man was full of his own shit. Him stating being faster than Logan doesn't makes it true. He said he was smarter than Tony too.

Yes, because they can heal the damage and go at it as just savage animals.

When Panther can actually fight Peter on an equal footing let me know.

Or Red Skull for that matter.

Or a random Batman clone.

Or Killmonger.

Or Man-Ape.

I could give you the Kaine thing but Superior backed it up when he out Logan on the ground.

My issue honestly isn't who wins this fight it's suggesting Creed is faster then Panther in combat or Logan is faster then Panther in combat. Where talking about a guy who moves to where his opponents are going to move just by knowing their movements.

Originally posted by deathslash
😆 you're joking right? You think a scan from a comic that's decades old still accurately shows the difference in speed between the two of them? Here's one of their fights from just last year.

Sabretooth has low showings of course. Everyone has them. One or two showings don't mater in the grand scheme of things.

Logan completely dominated creed in a matter of moments and left him lying in a pool of his own blood. While they may have been portrayed as equals several decades ago, we can clearly see that panther had the upper hand over Logan in this fight. And he didn't even get hit.
I think the picture is pretty clear.

Panther scratched him once and that's it.

Unless he has six claws which can eviscerate Sabretooth, he doesn't has a prayer in this fight.

He can't even beat Logan who was without his HF.

😂

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I could give you the Kaine thing but Superior backed it up when he out Logan on the ground.

That's not speed. That's striking power which Panther has no prayer to replicate.

My issue honestly isn't who wins this fight it's suggesting Creed is faster then Panther in combat or Logan is faster then Panther in combat. Where talking about a guy who moves to where his opponents are going to move just by knowing their movements.

By that token Cassie Cain is faster than everyone.

That's not how it works.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not speed. That's striking power which Panther has no prayer to replicate.

By that token Cassie Cain is faster than everyone.

That's not how it works.

We see Superior Dodging every of his strikes and landing his own, that's combat speed. That's how combat speed works.

Travel Speed, Combat Speed, and Reaction Speed are all different things.

TS: How far you can get at a certain time
CS: How fast you move in combat
RS: How fast you can react to something at a given time

In regards to modern Panther,

Claws that can hurt Thanos apparently
Force Push
Teleportation
Shield
Stated as Superhuman
Energy Daggers that can tear through War Machines

Can take a face hit from Namor without the mask

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sabretooth has low showings of course. Everyone has them. One or two showings don't mater in the grand scheme of things.

Panther scratched him once and that's it.

Unless he has six claws which can eviscerate Sabretooth, he doesn't has a prayer in this fight.

He can't even beat Logan who was without his HF.

😂

Yeah, after he punched Logan in the face and dodged his attack. Then when panther turned around to have a conversation, Logan tried to sneak attack him and only managed to graze him. Weird how this vaunted speed advantage that you keep pretending is present is never actually shown. What's funny is that panther wanted answers and still managed to stalemate Logan who had tried to stab him yet again. What's even funnier is that Stilt, the wolverine expert himself has outright admitted that panther is at least as fast as logan. Regardless of how much lowballing, highballing, and lying you want to use, the writers still depict these two as being equals.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
We see Superior Dodging every of his strikes and landing his own, that's combat speed. That's how combat speed works.

Travel Speed, Combat Speed, and Reaction Speed are all different things.

TS: How far you can get at a certain time
CS: How fast you move in combat
RS: How fast you can react to something at a given time

Superior Spider-man would punk panther as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In regards to modern Panther,

Claws that can hurt Thanos apparently
Force Push
Teleportation
Shield
Stated as Superhuman
Energy Daggers that can tear through War Machines

Can take a face hit from Namor without the mask

Originally posted by deathslash
he has way more than two showings in which Logan dominates him and far slower and less skilled characters have also beaten the shit out of him as well.

Logan is Logan. He can take on the hulk and beat him. Panther dodging a few strikes and scratching him once doesn't mean he can take down Tooth.

Like which character? Daredevil couldn't even slow him down and Matt eats Panther in term of speed and skill.

Yeah, after he punched Logan in the face and dodged his attack. Then when panther turned around to have a conversation, Logan tried to sneak attack him and only managed to graze him. Weird how this vaunted speed advantage that you keep pretending is present is never actually shown. What's funny is that panther wanted answers and still managed to stalemate Logan who had tried to stab him yet again. What's even funnier is that Stilt, the wolverine expert himself has outright admitted that panther is at least as fast as logan. Regardless of how much lowballing, highballing, and lying you want to use, the writers still depict these two as being equals.

And Sabretooth is depicted as faster and overall better than Logan in physical aspects with Logan's claws and skills marking the difference.

Take away his claws and Logan wouldn't take a single win against Tooth.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Only because Wolverine was still fighting him as a friend.

Superior Spider-man would punk panther as well.
Wow, all that and he still can't beat Logan without his HF.

So Logan swings and misses because he's fighting as a friend? Yet Panther suggest he can dodge him when Logan is fighting savage like and aggresive?

The problem with the Superior would punk Panther. Is we have in comic proof that Superior > Logan in regards to speed which is the area I'm focused on. We don't have anything supporting your statement that "Superior Spider-man would punk panther as well." But however we do have a recent pretty much fresh instance with Pamther taking out guys and Spiderman suggesting Panther is faster then him.

Whether I agree or you agree with that statement is up in the air because fact still stands that cocky Parker is the one that stated it not Panther.

1.) KOTD has never fought Logan
2.) Panther is normally nerfed when he does fight Wolverine in to forgetting he has gear.
3.) Coincides with 2 but Panther generally sticks to H2h because of plot with his fights against Logan. Or maybe Panther doesn't feel he needs his gear not sure,

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
So Logan swings and misses because he's fighting as a friend? Yet Panther suggest he can dodge him when Logan is fighting savage like and aggresive?

Suggests? He is fighting like a brick against Panther as per his usual self which wasn't how he can do after his HF was gone.

The problem with the Superior would punk Panther. Is we have in comic proof that Superior > Logan in regards to speed which is the area I'm focused on. We don't have anything supporting your statement that "Superior Spider-man would punk panther as well." But however we do have a recent pretty much fresh instance with Pamther taking out guys and Spiderman suggesting Panther is faster then him.

Panther contradicts the same and informs that he can anticipate others' movements.

That's not being faster.

But sure, go ahead and compare how normal Spider-man did to Wolverine and how Superior Spider-man did to wolverine. Spidey always holds back while Ock didn't. That's what made the difference.

Whether I agree or you agree with that statement is up in the air because fact still stands that cocky Parker is the one that stated it not Panther.

Panther contradicted that in the same panel.

You are pretty much crying at this point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Suggests? He is fighting like a brick against Panther as per his usual self which wasn't how he can do after his HF was gone.

Panther contradicts the same and informs that he can anticipate others' movements.

That's not being faster.

But sure, go ahead and compare how normal Spider-man did to Wolverine and how Superior Spider-man did to wolverine. Spidey always holds back while Ock didn't. That's what made the difference.

Panther contradicted that in the same panel.

You are pretty much crying at this point.

Panther didn't contradict he simply explained how he was taking those guys out. Point still stands what stops him from anticipating Creed's movements.

When Panther generally fights Logan he doesn't really use his gear other then his claws.

Crying? We're typing put stuff mate. I'm not emotional about any of this.. your not outside my window or something?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Panther didn't contradict he simply explained how he was taking those guys out. Point still stands what stops him from anticipating Creed's movements.

Because Tooth isn't a random guy? Daredevil can do that better than Panther ever can and Tooth still pounded him into ground.

When Panther generally fights Logan he doesn't really use his gear other then his claws.

And that never even slows Logan down.

Crying? We're typing put stuff mate. I'm not emotional about any of this.. your not outside my window or something?

I can pretty much smell your tears at this point. "Why are you not agreeing with me. Wah, wah."

Like I promised, I will see this to the end boy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Tooth isn't a random guy? Daredevil can do that better than Panther ever can and Tooth still pounded him into ground.

And that never even slows Logan down.

I can pretty much smell your tears at this point. "Why are you not agreeing with me. Wah, wah."

Like I promised, I will see this to the end boy.

I'm not crying about it, it's more pity then anything. I'm wondering if you were Bred stupid or if it was a birth defect regardless by the end of the day it's still Panthers 3 hits before Creeds 1 and this is before Panther's upgrades in tech and physiology.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not crying about it, it's more pity then anything. I'm wondering if you were Bred stupid or if it was a birth defect regardless by the end of the day it's still Panthers 3 hits before Creeds 1 and this is before Panther's upgrades in tech and physiology.

Tooth tears Panther apart. Cry about it now.