Originally posted by Surtur
Why does a repeat rapist deserve to be re-integrated into society?
If you're so cold and hell-bent on keeping the convicted out of society you might as well execute them instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars providing lodging, food, medical care and security to contain them.
Originally posted by Astner
Because they're human like you and I, and I'm not a sociopath who takes pleasure in seeing people suffer.
It's not about taking pleasure in suffering. It's about some people just not deserving to be out in society.
If you're so cold and hell-bent on keeping the convicted out of society
I can't help but marvel here at how you use a blanket term like "the convicted" in this context. As if I said if anyone is ever convicted of any crime they should be banned from society. We're talking about a serial rapist here. Nor was this even some douche who found himself in a position to take advantage of some drunk girl, this was someone who specifically planned these things out and preyed on people for the specific purpose of rape.
A person is cold if they don't want a serial rapist free?
you might as well execute them instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars providing lodging, food, medical care and security to contain them.
Let me ask you then..your attitude on this would seem to suggest you don't think anyone should be given life in prison, no matter what their crime? Am I interpreting that correctly? Since it sounded like you were saying "if we aren't going to ever set them free we might as well just kill them" and I 100% concur.
When someone is shown to be guilty of murder and we have irrefutable evidence I think they should be sentenced to life in prison. I then feel that within an hour of the sentencing they should be executed. So you see they technically did spend the rest of their lives in prison. Also no more of these grand spectacular "last meals" for killers. Since I'm quite sure their victims had no grand final meal.
Originally posted by Astner
I would. The point of prison is to rehabilitate and reintegrate people into society. A 263 year long prison sentence is not only inhumane but also a waste of tax money.
I assure you, he will be rehabilitated by the time he gets out providing he serves the entire sentence.
The only more successful method of rehabilitation is execution.
Not one executed prisoner ever went on to commit another offence.
I just feel like a person can reach a point when they no longer deserve even the option to rehabilitate. A serial rapist has crossed that line into "should never be free again" territory.
Why should any money be wasted rehabbing a criminal like that? Take that money and give it to a law abiding homeless man.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
Well, white on black rape is very low. So that's good, right?
It depends on who you are I guess. The BLM probably wishes they did have some kind of "smoking gun" to point to.
Originally posted by Surtur
A person is cold if they don't want a serial rapist free?
Originally posted by Surtur
Let me ask you then..your attitude on this would seem to suggest you don't think anyone should be given life in prison, no matter what their crime?
Originally posted by you get thorns
Not one executed prisoner ever went on to commit another offence.
I am a fan of going to music festivals/concerts and some of the sexual acts performed on girls of all ages (but mostly in their teens and early 20s) on the floor 'seats' is appalling. What I saw I cannot write on this site because it is extremely explicit and graphic. A few (girls) were willing participants, but the majority were not.
It doesn't matter if it is black on white or white on black - rape is rape. Men who commit this heinous crime have zero honor and have absolutely no respect for women.
Originally posted by Astner
The convicted should be in prison for as long as it takes them to be rehabilitated. If not rehabilitated they should be in prison for life.
So then if a man molests a bunch of children and then he skins them alive and then he has sex with their corpses...and then a decade later a bunch of doctors go before a jury to testify he is rehabilitated...he should be freed, correct? He could then move in next door to you, right? It'd be cool?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
[B]I am a fan of going to music festivals/concerts and some of the sexual acts performed on girls of all ages (but mostly in their teens and early 20s) on the floor 'seats' is appalling.
Okay wait what? What kind of "festivals" do you go to where there is apparently just a shitload of rape going on? Rapes that are apparently just never reported or ever talked about, since this is the first I'm even hearing of some kind music festival rape epidemic. I have certainly heard of incidents like Woodstock 99, but you are acting like pretty much every concert you have ever gone to was just chalk full of rape.
You also say girls of all ages were raped. So that would mean not just teens and twenty somethings, but girls younger than teens. So again I ask what kind of music festival you were attending where underage girls are apparently left without any adult supervision at a concert and then raped?
What I saw I cannot write on this site because it is extremely explicit and graphic. A few (girls) were willing participants, but the majority were not.
How could you tell who was and wasn't willing? Also wait, does this mean you actually saw women getting raped? Did you call the cops? Or do anything? Since the only way you'd know for sure someone wasn't willing would be if they were like screaming or otherwise blatantly struggling.
Burning Man, Warped Tour, Taste of Chaos, Weenie Roast, Blaze Fest are just some of the festivals I've attending. The wildest I went to was Flogging Molly - Surtur when there are 2,000+ fans amped up on booze, drugs & adrenaline a lot of shit of happens. I walked in on two hooking up in the bathroom. They didn't know each other.
I should have rephrased, it was mostly 19+ who were violated. Much groping, sometimes forced this and forced that. When there that many on the floor, it's hard to control the crowd.
Originally posted by Surtur
Why does a repeat rapist deserve to be re-integrated into society?Yeah the problem is I quite literally acted upset because he might be out in 200 years even though he wouldn't even live that long. So the choices would either be that I'm not being serious or that I think we have an immortal rapist among us.
TBF, he does have a point. Rapists are the worst kind of evil. We shouldn't be wasting tax payer dollars on them. Rapists need to be executed IMO.
Not always Surtur - sometimes they the concerts/festivals are sane like Black Keys, Everclear, Rise Against, Street Dogs, Joan Jett, Green Day, Dirty Heads, Lindsay Stirling, Rancid & a few others. I've been to A LOT of concerts and festivals.
You know, we need to be cheered up:
https://youtu.be/bjD_R8kWgNY
Originally posted by Lestov16Nah, not really. The mental and emotional prerequisites for it are so mundane and common that it's not even top five.
TBF, he does have a point. Rapists are the worst kind of evil.
In a world where there are human beings have perpetuated gratuitous and horrific torture of their fellow man for no benefit but to satiate their own sadistic desires rape is frankly mundane and boring as far as "acts of evil" go.
Originally posted by SurturThe answer to this question is, from a purely logical standpoint, yes, by the way.
So then if a man molests a bunch of children and then he skins them alive and then he has sex with their corpses...and then a decade later a bunch of doctors go before a jury to testify he is rehabilitated...he should be freed, correct? He could then move in next door to you, right? It'd be cool?
Or rather, it would be if it could be 100% verified that the person is completely rehabilitated and no longer a threat to society. And given that your example seems to be about a serial killing sociopath with deep-rooted brain disorders, short of literally rearranging the way his brain works (which would make him a completely different person, effectively, and also isn't really possible right now, I think), it seems unlikely he could be rehabilitated.
But that's a considerably more extreme example. People like that do exist and have existed, but to be perfectly blunt a guy whose worst crime is having committed rape(s) is quite probably not beyond the realm of rehabilitation.
You two talk about what people "deserve", like because of their past crimes they don't "deserve" to be reintegrated into society after having their behavior corrected. For a couple of atheists (IIRC) this is a weirdly religious train of thought. Do you believe his soul is stained by the crimes of his past? If not, what is there to be gained by keeping a rapist imprisoned forever, or killing them? Your personal satisfaction that someone you view as less than you has been imprisoned or killed? That's mad gay and highly illogical, emotion-driven, if that is the case.