Originally posted by Petrus
Being a threat doesn't necessarily mean he > LotF Luke.
When he's a threat to literally every Jedi in existence, then yes it kinda does.
Originally posted by Petrus
Sidious considered Maul and Savage a threat. He's still eons above them.
Sidious considered them threats due to them possibly exposing him as the Chancellor, or draw unwanted attention. They were a threat to his plans, and besides Sidious is a paranoid magalomaniac who thinks everyone is in some way a threat to him and his power. Luke, on the other hand, is much more objective and not as insecure.
Originally posted by MythLord
When he's a threat to literally every Jedi in existence, then yes it kinda does.
No, it doesn't. Being a threat doesn't automatically make him superior to Luke.
Sidious considered them threats due to them possibly exposing him as the Chancellor, or draw unwanted attention. They were a threat to his plans, and besides Sidious is a paranoid magalomaniac who thinks everyone is in some way a threat to him and his power. Luke, on the other hand, is much more objective and not as insecure.
Not really. Sidious was pretty much spot on in knowing who was and wasn't a threat to him. He's not paranoid at all, imo.
Based solely on quotes made by Luke or other characters in JA, you simply cannot conclude that Ragnos > Luke. Even if you were right, and Spirit Ragnos was a 'power' threat to the entire Jedi Order, he was still defeated by someone tiers below Luke... So powerscaling from Spirit Ragnos to LotF Luke doesn't really work.
Originally posted by Petrus
No, it doesn't. Being a threat doesn't automatically make him superior to Luke.
When you're a threat to Luke and tens of other Jedi, whilst just a hindered spirit then it does. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.
Originally posted by Petrus
Not really. Sidious was pretty much spot on in knowing who was and wasn't a threat to him. He's not paranoid at all, imo.
You just contradicted your own argument so badly that it's hilarious. First you say characters calling other characters threats is invalid and use Sidious as an example, then you say Sidious is good at knowing who is a valid threat and who is not? Make up your mind already. Also, Sidious was afraid of Asajj Ventress and Count Dooku the latter he chokes across the galaxy and the former got ragdolled by Sid's lapdog. So yeah, he's a paranoid magalomaniac who thinks everyone and their dogs can be a threat to his power.
Originally posted by Petrus
Based solely on quotes made by Luke or other characters in JA, you simply cannot conclude that Ragnos > Luke. Even if you were right, and Spirit Ragnos was a 'power' threat to the entire Jedi Order, he was still defeated by someone tiers below Luke... So powerscaling from Spirit Ragnos to LotF Luke doesn't really work.
KEK, Tavion who was possessed by Ragnos and had a very small portion of his power lost to Jaden Korr. Ragnos' free-roaming spirit not limited to a pathetic host would've wrecked Jaden, and living Ragnos would kill him with a passing thought. Marka's free-roaming spirit displayed superior power to Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. The latter has created gauntlets that, when used improperly, have made a failed padawan powerful enough to kill elite Jedi with a single burst of lightning:
And them being held improperly allowed Lucien Draay to survive an arial bombardment:
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And Naga, well Naga's just more powerful than Sidious. Palpatine couldn't sustain his own body for a couple of days when truly dwelling into his dark power, whereas Naga Sadow sustained his for six centuries:
Taken from Darth Bane: Rule of Two
I]Freedon Nadd had been a Jedi who turned to the dark side as the apprentice of Naga Sadow, the former ruler of the ancient Sith Empire. Sadow's power had been so great, it had allowed him to survive for six centuries, fueled by the energies of the dark side.[/I]
And Palpatine still wrecked Luke, who later needed a circumstantial and beneficial amplification from Leia and Anakin to get an upper hand against Sidious:
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Now obviously you could say Luke had grown in power, but not to the point where he's anything but Palpatine's rival, a Palpatine I've proven is inferior to Naga Sadow who fears Marka's power.
Originally posted by MythLord
When you're a threat to Luke and tens of other Jedi, whilst just a hindered spirit then it does. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understandYou just contradicted your own argument so badly that it's hilarious. First you say characters calling other characters threats is invalid and use Sidious as an example, then you say Sidious is good at knowing who is a valid threat and who is not? Make up your mind already. Also, Sidious was afraid of Asajj Ventress and Count Dooku the latter he chokes across the galaxy and the former got ragdolled by Sid's lapdog. So yeah, he's a paranoid magalomaniac who thinks everyone and their dogs can be a threat to his power.
I didn't contradict shit. I never said Sidious was incorrect in viewing Maul and Savage as a threat, did I? I also never stated Sidious' threats were all powerful individuals, some were organizations or communities.
It's only invalid when attempting to use that as an argument to say Ragnos > Luke, or that being a threat automatically means he's above the people he/she poses a threat to.
Sidious stated he sensed Ventress growing in power, and he was afraid of what would happen if her power kept growing and Dooku took her in as his apprentice. Fairly reasonable fear, tbh.
KEK, Tavion who was possessed by Ragnos and had a very small portion of his power lost to Jaden Korr. Ragnos' free-roaming spirit not limited to a pathetic host would've wrecked Jaden, and living Ragnos would kill him with a passing thought.
O rly? Because in this video, Spirit Ragnos purposely chose to possess Tavion instead of attacking Jaden, who was literally in front of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Iq3HfYPfo
And Naga, well Naga's just more powerful than Sidious. Palpatine couldn't sustain his own body for a couple of days when truly dwelling into his dark power, whereas Naga Sadow sustained his for six centuries
KEK, that doesn't mean he was more powerful than Sidious at all.
Originally posted by Petrus
I didn't contradict shit. I never said Sidious was incorrect in viewing Maul and Savage as a threat, did I? I also never stated Sidious' threats were all powerful individuals, some were organizations or communities.
You actually did say that as an example to counter Luke's viewings of Ragnos as a threat, and I pointed out Sidious' paranoia.
Originally posted by Petrus
It's only invalid when attempting to use that as an argument to say Ragnos > Luke, or that being a threat automatically means he's above the people he/she poses a threat to.
There's one small problem with this: Luke said Ragnos was a threat to the entire Jedi Order. This means Ragnos is a significant threat to Luke and dozens of other Jedi. How this doesn't leak into that thick skull of yours is beyond me.
Originally posted by Petrus
Sidious stated he sensed Ventress growing in power, and he was afraid of what would happen if her power kept growing and Dooku took her in as his apprentice. Fairly reasonable fear, tbh.
Not a fairly reasonable fear when you've dominated Dooku and have speedblitzed combatants on Asajj's level. Sidious is just paranoid.
Originally posted by Petrus
O rly? Because in this video, Spirit Ragnos purposely chose to possess Tavion instead of attacking Jaden, who was literally in front of him.
Because how else is a disembodied spirit who's power over the physical realm has diminished through being trapped for millenia suppose to fight? When Ragnos' spirit was not bound, it actually managed to hurl more powerful beings like Darth Nox aside:
Originally posted by Petrus
KEK, that doesn't mean he was more powerful than Sidious at all.
Yes it does. Sidious being the "most powerful Sith Lord ever" would suggest he can at least keep himself from keeling over and dying after a few days of tapping into his full power. Yet he can't. Sadow, on the other hand, can live for centuries whilst fully engulfed in the Dark Side's power. For further proof, Naga Sadow can turn a planet, or at least several focal points of the planet, into a Dark Side Nexus simply by his spirit inhabitting a temple on the planet:
Taken from: TOR Codex Entry: Dark Legacy of Yavin 4: Part 1
The first corruption of Yavin’s fourth moon by the dark side that we know of corresponds with the arrival of Dark Lord Naga Sadow some fourteen hundred years ago. I’m not entirely sure whether Sadow was drawn here by the dark side or if he himself planted the first seed of its presence.
Now while it's unsure if Naga was the main reason, or if he was guided by the Dark Side's presence, but the former is more logical since Yavin's Dark Presence has grown over the years since Naga inhabitted it:
Taken from: TOR Codex Entry: Yavin 4
For well over a thousand years now, the dark side of the Force has flowed through Yavin 4 in an ever-increasing magnitude.
Compare that to Sidious who needed many years and the aid of several Dark Side Adepts to increase a nexus on Byss:
Taken from: Book of the Sith
The captured Padawans and survivors from the Jedi Service Corps are less gifted in the Force, but they will serve me nonetheless as Dark Side Adepts. Until I have use for them, they shall remain on Byss, where their connection to the Force will intensify the planet's growing nexus of dark side potency.
It's safe to assume Palpatine is inferior to Naga Sadow. And I like how you ignored half of my post listing some of the feats of the bling Ludo Kressh used.
Are we done, now?
