Originally posted by abhilegend
The kryptonite from new 52 universe wasn't affecting post crisis Superman.Even with a cheapshot, post crisis Superman couldn't have done that.
Point still stands it was a cheapshot. Aquaman has had N52 Superman gone for 6 pages one. I doubt under the same circumstances P52 Superman wouldn't be able to do that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So his absorbed energy of universes just went nowhere?But he already destroyed and absorbed the power of entire universes. Your whining wouldn't change that.
Haha, this is just like "Planets weigh as much as building."
Of course, Anti-Monitor had ALE which is pretty much abstract level power in itself.
I'm not whining I'm just letting you know Mobius has no feats or even statements for that matter to suggest he's anything close to Universal in Power output. Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
When does being suggested to have absorbing something suggest that you have the power output of that said thing. When Anti-Monitor punched Darkseid the Universe didn't tremble or shake. When they Beam struggled the Universe didn't shake or tremble. So again where are you getting the idea that his energy blast or anything about him in similar regards is Universal.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Point still stands it was a cheapshot. Aquaman has had N52 Superman gone for 6 pages one. I doubt under the same circumstances P52 Superman wouldn't be able to do that.
Vulko did the same to him. None of the time he was actually koed.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not whining I'm just letting you know Mobius has no feats or even statements for that matter to suggest he's anything close to Universal in Power output. Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
Except absorbing the power of several universes after destroying them.
Treating entire GLC as nothing.
When does being suggested to have absorbing something suggest that you have the power output of that said thing. When Anti-Monitor punched Darkseid the Universe didn't tremble or shake. When they Beam struggled the Universe didn't shake or tremble. So again where are you getting the idea that his energy blast or anything about him in similar regards is Universal.
You are treating as if collateral damage is the indicative of the power. It isn't.
Try something else.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's just the way Johns keeps Superman off the fights.Vulko did the same to him. None of the time he was actually koed.
Based on what? Superman came right back when Vulko hit him.
Aquaman hit him and he was gone for six pages, when he came back he showed he was unaware of what happened in the previous page.
Judging the two instances it seems like foreshadowing for a comparison of sorts actually.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except absorbing the power of several universes after destroying them.Treating entire GLC as nothing.
You are treating as if collateral damage is the indicative of the power. It isn't.
Try something else.
To be honest it doesn't even need collateral damage for me to approve it, if it atleast had one statement to actually suggest his output was Universal I wouldnt argue, but it doesnt.
Mobius killed a bunch of fodderless Lanterns that's honestly not impressive to me. Sure there Lanterns so it should have some regard, but their Featless as a whole. If we only regard the ones that died atleast. How does killing a bunch of Lanterns without feats make him Universal in power output? It honestly shouldn't.
To be honest in a story standpoint the way I see it, is Mobius was absorbing all these Universes in search of the one thing that could harm or kill Darkseid. The ALE. thats the reason we last see him absorbing Earth-3 aka The Antimatter universe. If we look at the Universe of Earth-3 it's not abandoned or destroyed or anything it's just almost barren.
Given that the Anti Life Equation was on the Antimatter Universe which is what Mobius was absorbing Earths for.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Based on what? Superman came right back when Vulko hit him.Aquaman hit him and he was gone for six pages, when he came back he showed he was unaware of what happened in the previous page.
Judging the two instances it seems like foreshadowing for a comparison of sorts actually.
Yes, he might have fighting the atlanteans before that.
No, it doesn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't.Yes, he might have fighting the atlanteans before that.
No, it doesn't.
That's speculation not really supported by anything. Hence the "might". It's really iffy given the fight starts with Aquaman punching Superman and Orm's not involved yet and the Atlanteans are behind Orm submerged.
Given the punch comparisons and the time get back difference it looks like foreshadowing but then again that's speculation on my part.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
To be honest it doesn't even need collateral damage for me to approve it, if it atleast had one statement to actually suggest his output was Universal I wouldnt argue but it doesnt.
It doesn't have to be. He absorbed the power of the entire universes. That's enough on its own.
Mobius killed a bunch of fodderless Lanterns that's honestly not impressive to me. Sure there Lanterns so it should have some regard but their Featless as a whole if we only regard the ones that died. How does killing a bunch of Lanterns without feats make him Universal in power output?
The same Lanterns beat back universe destroyer entities in Edge of Oblivion.
What you think is impressive or unimpressive is meaningless. You have shown a clear lack of understanding what makes a scene impressive.
To be honest in a story standpoint the way I see it, is Mobius was absorbing all these Universes in search of the one thing that could harm or kill Darkseid. The ALE. that the reason we last see him absorbing Earth-3 aka The Antimatter universe. If we look at the Universe of Earth-3 it's not abandoned or destroyed or anything it's just almost barren.
It was only the earth of Earth-3 whose population was absorbed. He had just destroyed a universe before Metron found him.
Did you even read Darkseid war? Anti-monitor always had ALE, it was what transformed him into Anti-Monitor from Mobius.
How can one think he was searching ALE when he always had it?
Idiocy at its finest.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That's speculation not really supported by anything. Hence the "might". It's really iffy given the fight starts with Aquaman punching Superman and Orm's not involved yet and the Atlanteans are behind Orm submerged.Given the punch comparisons and the time get back difference it looks like foreshadowing but then again that's speculation on my part.
In post crisis Superman's case its clearly shown he was koed.
Where are you going with all this shit anyway? If you are looking for last word, you will not get that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't have to be. He absorbed the power of the entire universes. That's enough on its own.The same Lanterns beat back universe destroyer entities in Edge of Oblivion.
What you think is impressive or unimpressive is meaningless. You have shown a clear lack of understanding what makes a scene impressive.
It was only the earth of Earth-3 whose population was absorbed. He had just destroyed a universe before Metron found him.
Did you even read Darkseid war? Anti-monitor always had ALE, it was what transformed him into Anti-Monitor from Mobius.
How can one think he was searching ALE when he always had it?
Idiocy at its finest.
You feel the need to continually argue with me so I doubt my opinion is meaningless, atleast to you.
But in regards to your "Universe" stuff don't expect anyone to follow that logic it's to loose and questionable.
They were on a barren Earth 3 is what im pretty sure happened when Metron confronted him and Grail but feel free to prove me wrong.
The ALE thing was a theory. He had it running through his veins I recall that but I'm not sure if he always had it or not. Something to look back on.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You feel the need to continually argue with me so I doubt my opinion is meaningless, atleast to you.But in regards to your "Universe" stuff don't expect anyone to follow that logic it's to loose and questionable.
They were on a barren Earth 3 is what im pretty sure happened when Metron confronted him and Grail but feel free to prove me wrong.
The ALE thing was a theory. He had it running through his veins I recall that but I'm not sure if he always had it or not. Something to look back on.
It really isn't. You are simply ignoring he absorbed the power of universes because he didn't punch out a universe or something. That may be how it works on comicvine but not here.
Yes, he was in process of destroying that universe when he got stopped by Metron.
You can look back on a lot of things. Like how to read.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, just as its speculation that he was koed. There is nothing to support that.In post crisis Superman's case its clearly shown he was koed.
Where are you going with all this shit anyway? If you are looking for last word, you will not get that.
It's not in hopes for the last word I'm just saying someone isn't stronger based off a cheapshot. It's questionable is all.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's not in hopes for the last word I'm just saying someone isn't stronger based off a cheapshot. It's questionable is all.
When someone is basically on half strength and even poisoned, they are stronger even if it was a cheapshot.
Post crisis Superman has shrugged off total cheapshots from his peers without getting koed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it just means you can't get your last word which you are craving. That's all.It really isn't. You are simply ignoring he absorbed the power of universes because he didn't punch out a universe or something. That may be how it works on comicvine but not here.
Yes, he was in process of destroying that universe when he got stopped by Metron.
You can look back on a lot of things. Like how to read.
I'm not ignoring he absorbed a Universe. I'm just not agreeing with Anti-Monitor having Universal blast power or Striking power or anything like that.
If someone is stated Universal I don't make assumptions that it's all around. I wait to actually see something showing it or something stating what that actually means.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you are.When someone is basically on half strength and even poisoned, they are stronger even if it was a cheapshot.
Post crisis Superman has shrugged off total cheapshots from his peers without getting koed.
He's also been KOd by characters he's been shown to be stronger then.
Half strength is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Given he could still fly, take on a Superman with a portion of his original power that could take on him and Diana.
It possibly could be due to his kryptonite radiating skin as well. Didn't he have different powers when he absorbed the Kryptonite?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not ignoring he absorbed a Universe. I'm just not agreeing with Anti-Monitor having Universal blast power or Striking power or anything like that.If someone is stated Universal I don't make assumptions that it's all around. I wait to actually see something showing it or something stating what that actually means.
It wasn't a statement which you can disagree with.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He's also been KOd by characters he's been shown to be stronger then.Half strength is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Given he could still fly, take on a Superman with a portion of his original power that could take on him and Diana.
It possibly could be due to his kryptonite radiating skin as well. Didn't he have different powers when he absorbed the Kryptonite?
Yes, his powers were essentially more than halved as the Solarman defeated him and wonder woman together. Unless you think Solarman had less than half of Superman's powers and it was still more than Superman and wonder woman together.
No, his powers were restored but the kryptonite infection weakened him still.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You can disagree to whatever you want, it matters little.It wasn't a statement which you can disagree with.
Like who?Yes, his powers were essentially more than halved as the Solarman defeated him and wonder woman together. Unless you think Solarman had less than half of Superman's powers and it was still more than Superman and wonder woman together.
No, his powers were restored but the kryptonite infection weakened him still.
Your correct it wasn't a statement atleast in the way that a statement is something that's definite and not able to be contradicted. Where as all it suggest is Mobius wanted more power in order to face Darkseid so he absorbed more universes. Nothing however suggest he has the blunt force/Energy blast/striking force/strength of a Universe though. On top of that Mobius was weaker after he fought Darkseid from when he was Anti-Monitor the state where he was absorbing Universes. Regardless if you can get away with suggesting that on this site though it doesn't matter how I see it, but we'll argue indefinitely about it as it stands now until something concrete shows up, so it's best to just drop that and agree to disagree in regards to anyone tanking a Universal blast.
Shazam is the only off the head mention I can think of downing Superman with a cheapshot.
I'd honestly think the Kryptonite Radiating thing had something to do with it then given Pre52 Superman convienently brought it up before he was oneshotted.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Your correct it wasn't a statement atleast in the way that a statement is something that's definite and not able to be contradicted. Where as all it suggest is Mobius wanted more power in order to face Darkseid so he absorbed more universes. Nothing however suggest he has the blunt force/Energy blast/striking force/strength of a Universe though.
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Him having the power of several destroyed universes in itself is enough. He doesn't has to show anything except fighting characters that powerful.
Darkseid destroyed universes in new 52 as well.
On top of that Mobius was weaker after he fought Darkseid from when he was Anti-Monitor the state where he was absorbing Universes. Regardless if you can get away with suggesting that on this site though it doesn't matter how I see it, but we'll argue indefinitely about it as it stands now until something concrete shows up, so it's best to just drop that and agree to disagree in regards to anyone tanking a Universal blast.
Mobius had only escaped from ALE. The power of those universes were still in him.
Like I said, your opinion doesn't matters in face of what actually happened in the comics.
I'm not here to make you agree with what I said. I'm just teaching you what actually happened in the comic.
Shazam is the only off the head mention I can think of downing Superman with a cheapshot.
There were two cheapshots by Captain Marvel and it was only possible due to Superman's magic vulnerability.
Eclipsed Superman shrugged off Cap's total cheapshot and beat him to near death.
I'd honestly think the Kryptonite Radiating thing had something to do with it then given Pre52 Superman convienently brought it up before he was oneshotted.
Superman wasn't affected by the kryptonite radiation. He was just noticing new 52 Superman was kryptonite poisoned.