Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My recollection of DD is poor and intentionally shrouded, but didn't Vos also beat Grievous in H2H?Regardless, yeah, Maul did. 👆
lol I remember Vos locking Grievous in a room.
I remember Grievous fighting Vos and/or Ventress in H2H and while not quite losing, being overpowered.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Sidious ordered Dooku and Grievous to allow themselves to be captured by Maul.
Maul linebacker tackling Grievous to the point of a physical stomp is still a valid feat of strength/speed.
Also helps that Grievous' depiction in SOD is more in line with his Legends counterpart.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Again, Grievous isn't going to draw his lightsaber when he was ordered to allow himself to be captured.
Excuses.
Dooku massacred plenty of Nightbrothers before getting caught, so they were'nt ordered not to put up a fight.
Also I don't recall Grievous being in on the plan.
Maul never beat Grievous.
BFR'ing a distracted Griebous is not only irrelevant, but it didn't actually do anything to him.
On the ship, he ambushed Grievous when he was off guard and even then, he only beat him by virtue of having a lightsaber and Grievous not having one.
The only legitimate hit between either was when Grievous sent him flying.
I eagerly await Maul fans arguing that circumstances don't matter save for when they can be used to make excuses for Maul.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Excuses.Dooku massacred plenty of Nightbrothers before getting caught, so they were'nt ordered not to put up a fight.
Also I don't recall Grievous being in on the plan.
The difference being Grievous was confronted by Maul directly rather then just some random Nightbrothers...
And of course Grievous was in on the plan. That's why he sat patiently in his cell without resisting and then, when the time was right, slaughtered his captors easily with his bare hands.
Doesn't anyone find it curious how Maul doesn't just physically blitz Grievous when both have light sabers out?
It's almost as if Maul could only tackle Grievous without fear of a response when armed with a weapon Grievous' bare arms can't match. 🤨
Anyway, by Thor and Ant's standards, Maul got blitzed by a dog, fair and square:
https://youtu.be/x2qpn4ulIBE?t=2m49s
Have fun with that 🙂
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And of course Grievous was in on the plan. That's why he sat patiently in his cell without resisting and then, when the time was right, slaughtered his captors easily with his bare hands.
Grievous has nearly every conceivable edge, including all types of physical strength. Anakin has the Force, but with his only weapon being his body, he's absolutely f u c k e d
Let's go through it point by point:
1. Pure hand-to-hand skill. Anakin's performances in this area are lacklustre (he's been manhandled by A'Sharad Hett and Obi-Wan on two separate occasions, while he was bloodlusted trying to kill them. Obi-Wan choked him out). Anakin also to my knowledge doesn't have much in the way of formal H2H training.
Grievous is on the other side of the spectrum. He's been noted as the greatest H2H Jedi killer of all time by Rick McCallum. He has killed "more Jedi in hand to hand combat than any other being". He has manhandled Durge. He makes liberal use of unarmed combat as he stomps Mundi, Ti, Secura, Kruhk and Seirr throwing them around like ragdolls, and he basically ragdolled Obi-Wan in the unarmed portion of their fight.
The first thing Grievous did when he was unleashed in the catacombs of the Geonosis arena, with nothing but his claws, was murder "several companies" of clone troopers who were aided by Jedi. He was described as "destroying" them and left "none alive":
A single company of clones contains 140 clone troopers:
Finally, as shown in Labyrinth of Evil, Grievous can encounter a unique, idiosyncratic fighting style like Mace Windu's own Vaapad (which on the eve of RotS he had largely mastered, including overcoming his fear of using it), and can produce an imitation of it that is described as "close enough" within seconds of fighting. He can then produce a specific counter to this fighting style after a "single exchange":
Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary.―Labyrinth of Evil
Mace had told him how the computers slaved to Grievous's brain had apparently analzyed even Mace's unconventionally lethal Vaapad and had been able to respond in kind after a single exchange.
"He must have been trained by Count Dooku," Mace had said, "so you can expect Makashi as well; given the number of Jedi he has fought and slain, you must expect that he can attack in any style, or all of them. In fact, Obi-Wan, I believe that of all living Jedi, you have the best chance to defeat him.
―Revenge of the Sith
As noted, Grievous can be expected to attack in virtually any style due to the fact he has had the chance to analyse the fighting styles of the hundreds of Jedi he has killed over the years. He retains knowledge of all their fighting styles and can draw on them with such speed that his computers allow him to keep up with the precognitive abilities of the most powerful Jedi in history.
All of that goes towards saying that Anakin, who isn't even a dedicated unarmed fighter... is screwed. His skills, insofar that he has any, will be analysed in under a second and a counter will be produced for them. Meanwhile Grievous has a vast array of skills and styles to draw from that Anakin has not had any meaningful experience sparring against.
It's said Grievous' unarmed style is based on the Brazilian martial art capoeira, which is extremely unpredictable, so yeah, Anakin's toast here... but it gets worse.
Next up - sheer toughness.
This is absolutely no contest. If we are talking about Grievous' ability to take and deal out damage compared to Anakin, it's a complete and utter bloodbath. First observation: Grievous' entire body is redundant aside from the extremely well protected organ sac in his torso and his brain. He has four arms and two legs, all clawed, which he can rotate at blinding speeds in virtually any direction, and has no problem losing either. Grievous is covered in sharp space age metal, he can even rotate his torso on his axis, climb walls, rip through Mandalorian armor with his bare hands, and so on. His armor is designed to soak up a burst of starfighter laser cannon fire, he has been at the centre of a fuel factory explosion that compromised the safety of a planet's surface and all it did was singe his cape.
Anakin will hurt himself trying to punch and kick Grievous, as we saw with Obi-Wan, and he's liable to gore himself getting caught on the sharp edges of Grievous' ribcage. If they get into a wrestling match, Anakin has one prosthetic limb... Grievous has six cybernetically augmented, clawed limbs which can easily crush durasteel computer consoles or Jedi skulls, and are even strong enough to let Grievous walk through a windstorm which was ripping duracrete up off the ground around him (as seen in OCW).
If they were to wrestle, Anakin would end up exactly like these Mandalorians:
I really need to draw emphasis to the fact Grievous freedom of movement, flexibility etc is vastly superior to Anakin's. These clips speak for themselves:
https://youtu.be/xTnpqjJae-g?t=234
The possibilities for what he could do to Anakin are endless. He could bring out all four of his limbs and then spin uncontrollably on his axis towards Anakin with his claws extended and just gore him without any resistance. As seen Grievous can rapidly spin his wrists to produce shields with his lightsaber blades, now imagine if he grabbed Anakin's wrists and did that - now Anakin's wrists are broken.
Grievous is also fond of bladelocking with his two top arms while using his bottom two to stab or shoot his opponent, but a little known fact is that he can use exactly the same tactic to gore his opponent with one of his claws... so while he's ripping through the tendons in Anakin's arms he can go dig around inside his large intestine simultaneously:
I think that will do for now, unless anyone seriously thinks Anakin has a chance here. In short, the only way Anakin can hurt Grievous is by directly compromising his vital organs which are encased in ridiculously tough armor, Grievous' armor is so tough he makes Obi-Wan cry out in pain just trying to kick him and it was even stated that the phrik staffs his Magnaguards carry are "incapable of hurting him" (as shown when Obi-Wan tried).
On the flipside, Grievous has virtually countless options for killing Anakin which including goring him, breaking his limbs, creating a tornado of clawed durasteel spinning arms and legs, using his extra limbs to gore Anakin and ripping into his flesh while they wrestle, or simply punching his skull to paste using his far superior hand to hand technical skill and processing capabilities.
Well actually BDE, Anakin would have extensive H2H training as Jedi are taught all forms of disciplines both mental and physical. Even without activating their sabers, they are still formidable opponents and this being on just a Padawan level. Lightsaber training would also help with great footwork and speed too.
If you will compare to a Medieval Knight, sure their main focus was on weapons such as swords, spears, axes and so on. But they were still highly trained with their fists and body. So Anakin getting beaten by Obi-Wan or Sharad isn't exactly a negative on his part, since they are trained in a much similar manner and having more experience.
But that said, yeah Grevious takes this. He also has 4 arms to work with which gives him even more of an edge.