Of course it would be the same for Vader --- thing is the gap wouldn't be as big as it factual is with Tenebrous . With the 80% power quote in mind, I don't have peak Vader too far off from Darth Plagueis, or pre- DotS TPM Palpatine in terms of just strength in the Force.
He's inferior by a noticeable degree, obviously but not too far. Of course, they are far superior martial combatants to boot, but that's neither here, nor there.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Of course it would be the same for Vader --- thing is the gap wouldn't be as big as it factual is with Tenebrous . With the 80% power quote in mind, I don't have peak Vader too far off from Darth Plagueis, or pre- DotS TPM Palpatine in terms of just strength in the Force.
I'm talking about the comparison without taking the 80% quote in mind, buddy boy.
Also, it's not "factually" big as it would be with Tenebrous? What facts? As I said, you have no idea where Plagueis and Tenebrous are in comparison to Palpatine percentage wise. Plagueis could be 94% and Tenebrous 82%.
He's inferior by a noticeable degree, obviously but not too far. Of course, they are far superior martial combatants to boot, but that's neither here, nor there.
I don't know what you're responding to here.
^ Indeed, something that was mentioned on the last page. Nobody's managed to quantify 20% of Sidious' power and proven it. Sidious is monstrously powerful, so "20%", whatever it means, is probably a tremendous gap. And again, Lucas thought Vader was better compared to Maul and Dooku than Palpatine, so the accolade is being vastly overblown here.
Originally posted by Selenial
Your quote was vague and answered nothing, the fact it strips away life force is ridiculously obvious.And since you cannot answer any of them, why do you feel confident in the application of your obscene fallacy?
WOW aren't you just grasping at straws. The quote clearly says what the Force Harvester does -- exactly what Drain does. There's no distinction. Not my fault the writers of the Complete Star Wars Encylcopedia decided not to answer retarded questions like "Can you cloak to defend againt it, tho?". The same questions you asked about the Harvester can just as easily be asked about any form of Drain.
Originally posted by Selenial
A timescale for that was never established. Mace is describing events that happened four thousand years prior. Since it was such a widely spread secret, it disappearing as soon as the device was destroyed makes no sense. It disappearing after the Triumvirate execute every living Jedi and destroy the majority of their knowledge, however, does make sense. And fits Mace's timescale as disappearing "after the war".
Yeah, that would make sense, if the following sentence by Mace wasn't detailing how the Jedi split the parts of the Dark Reaper across the galaxy after the the secrets of it and Ulic's defense against it were lost. I doubt the Jedi would wait more than half a century to hide such a potent weapon and all of it's secrets. Also the entire Clone Wars game hints at the ability to defend against the Force Harvester died with Ulic Qel-Droma.
Originally posted by Selenial
The un-defendable aspect of it is. The Wall of Light is what makes sever force so lethal, the Dark Side version is a perversion of Force Drain. Nihilus' "sever force" is only ever described in a Sourcebook and a roleplaying guide, which aren't exactly the most infallible of sources. Even then, it's true, Nihilus can cut an individual from the force... by draining them. Why on earth would he sever Traya from the force instead of consuming her, it is entirely contradictory to his character progression and character arc. It's not like she was making it out of there alive, when she was facing Nihilus and Sion.
Several problems with this. The most prominent is the fact that the animation wasn't of Drain, it was Nihilus lashing out with the Force, Traya getting knocked back and her connection to the Force was severed. If she were drained, not only would the animation be different but she wouldn't even be alive. So on top of the fact that the effect was that of Sever Force, not Force Drain, you have the two attacks looking completely different. This:
https://youtu.be/QCxcJugMe_Y?t=57
Looks more like this:
Than this:
https://youtu.be/3EtByaOxiwE?t=522
It was Sever Force.
Originally posted by Selenial
And if the defense was so easy as you suggest, and not distracting at all, she would have been fine defending against it anyway. To suggest Abeloth was more distracted by Luke than Vader would be by Revan and Surik is utterly ridiculous....
Except Vader wouldn't just be obsessed with Revan and Surik won't be behind him, actively employing Drain(which, BTW, was of little effect on Abeloth when Krayt used it) while amped.
Originally posted by Selenial
Irrelevant, I never said he was.
Relevant because if he, who is in no way, shape or form comparable to Vader, is perfectly fine despite her passive Drain then someone like Vader who both possesses resistence to the technique and is vastly more powerful should be barely affected.
Originally posted by Selenial
She's stated to be bonded to them all, even the "non force-sensitives" which is literally just Mandalore.
Fair enough on this, then.
"Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights—so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double-cross. But Traya underestimates her disciples' depravity. They turn on her and drain her Force powers."
Originally posted by AncientPower
Can't believe it took that long for one of you to remember that quote. 😬
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Neph hasn't been in this debate, and since this was the first post where Myth questioned what everyone else knows to be factual, I hadn't felt the need to post it.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well then... Meetra still isn't doing jack shit to Vader on the basis of all my other points. 👆
Lmao, your other points are just as retarded as that one. I love debating people who have literally no idea about the source material they're debating 😬
Expect my reply tonight.