Dooku vs RotS Anakin

Being fair, it's hard to tell when you troll, DC.

Anyways I agree, Dooku was just a place holder until Anakin came into his own, that doesn't change the fact that Vader was also little more than a pawn as well, just a pawn who had more use for Sidious than Dooku did.

Originally posted by MythLord
Being fair, it's hard to tell when you troll, DC.

Anyways I agree, Dooku was just a place holder until Anakin came into his own, that doesn't change the fact that Vader was also little more than a pawn as well, just a pawn who had more use for Sidious than Dooku did.

To be fair, even freaking Yoda would have been a place holder for Anakin...

Yup, and regarding the whole apprenticeship argument -- Plagueis considered Dooku a worthy replacement for Sidious, so there's that 🙂

Vader wasn't a pawn lol, Sidious planned for Vader and himself to rule the galaxy for eternity. 👆

With Vader being nothing more than an enforcer, and plaything. Sidious' personal thoughts in Book of the Sith pretty much mesh Vader, Maul and Dooku into a group of pawns for Palpatine's plans.
And for someone he'd been planning to rule the galaxy with for eternity, he sure does like finding potential replacements for him 👆

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
In Dark Disciple Anakin and Dooku fight evenly with the advantage shifting between them, the duel was rather limited but still. Do you have any proof that between Dark Disciple and RotS Anakin advanced noticeably that he would surpass Dooku?

But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted. The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power.
--Star Wars Databank

Anakin grew vastly since Tano left, which means he was already mid-through that "vast growth" when he fought Dooku in Dark Disciple.

Originally posted by MythLord
With Vader being nothing more than an enforcer, and plaything. Sidious' personal thoughts in Book of the Sith pretty much mesh Vader, Maul and Dooku into a group of pawns for Palpatine's plans.
And for someone he'd been planning to rule the galaxy with for eternity, he sure does like finding potential replacements for him 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Friend a pawn suggests he was disposable, Palpatine planning to share the secret of immortality with Vader so they could live and rule for ever suggests he was anything but that.

But tbf, Palpatine's thoughts, ideas and plans on Vader did change radically when he realized he would fail to reach his full potential.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Friend a pawn suggests he was disposable, Palpatine planning to share the secret of immortality with Vader so they could live and rule for ever suggests he was anything but that.

Which was until Vader lost so much of his potential, at which point Palpatine had no real use for him other than a pawn. In both Dark Empire and Book of the Sith, we see Palpatine doesn't have the highest opinion of Vader.

Nah, Palpy states this post-Mustafar:

For thousands of years, the ability to survive death had been pursued by Sith and Jedi alike, and no one had been successful at discovering the secret. Beings had been saved from dying, but no one had cheated death. The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced. Now that the galaxy was his to rule, there was nothing to prevent Sidious, too, from unlocking that mystery.

Then he and his crippled apprentice might hold sway over the galaxy for ten thousand years, and live eternally.

If they didn't kill each other first.

-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader

EDIT: Ultimately though, yes, Palpatine is always going to see Vader and all of his other underlings to an extent, replaceable, however fact remains Sidious saw him as infinitely more valuable than Dooku.

I'm trying to remember the name of the book where it shows the duel with RotJ Luke from Vader's perspective. It tells Vader's thoughts after being struck down by Luke and Sidious telling Luke to finish him. He specifically says some thing like "Vader now knew how Dooku felt all those years ago...treachery is the way of the sith etc".

All-in-all, anyone could have been a placeholder during TCW for Sidious as long as the chosen one existed. It doesn't mean suggest Dooku was weak.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced.

So Ancient Sith uber powerhouses confirmed?

EDIT: Ultimately though, yes, Palpatine is always going to see Vader and all of his other underlings to an extent, replaceable, however fact remains Sidious saw him as infinitely more valuable than Dooku.

Yeah, but don't you think that initially Sidious might've intended to accurately and finally follow the RoT with Anakin as his apprentice? I mean, he did believe he would become more powerful than him.

Originally posted by Petrus
So Ancient Sith uber powerhouses confirmed?

Yeah, but don't you think that initially Sidious might've intended to accurately and finally follow the RoT with Anakin as his apprentice? I mean, he did believe he would become more powerful than him.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, just knowledgeable in longevity stuff. 🙂 True, very true. Ultimately though I have to disagree with Kurk, Dooku was powerful, but I think Anakin or not I don't think he would have seen the Count as anything more than a "proton torpedo." He was never a long term investment.

Agreed, but that's the thing: Anakin never actually reached the levels of power Sidious knew he was capable of, and thus became quite disappointed. I believe Vader was initially meant to replace him, but after he realized he wouldn't reach his full potential, his plan changed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, just knowledgeable in longevity stuff. 🙂 True, very true. Ultimately though I have to disagree with Kurk, Dooku was powerful, but I think Anakin or not I don't think he would have seen the Count as anything more than a "proton torpedo." He was never a long term investment.

@Beni I'm not arguing he saw Dooku as more valuable, I fully agree Vader is his greatest servant. I'm just saying Vader was also a replaceable pawn.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted. The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power.
--Star Wars Databank

Like Wollf said, in Dark Disciple Ahsoka has already left the Order.