Darth Bane and Darth Zannah vs Darth Malgus and Darth Jadus

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, he's more powerful by feats. Holistically, Bane was more powerful than all of the dark side energies unleashed across Ambria in the Sorceress' failed ritual.

It is, but the speed you're suggesting is clearly exaggerated.

And not when he's teleporting faster than blaster bolt can hit him, which move at light-speeds. 👆

But there are some more exaggerated than others, as people on this forum like to claim regarding DE and OCW. TOR is the same

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

Zannah's always been reserved with her powers. We've never seen the full extent of them, except Sorcery. That said, if she's blocking planetwide firestorms with her Force Barrier as a child, yeah, as an adult, she's going to be around Jadus' tier at least.

How on earth would she know how powerful the Sith are if she can't sense them through the Force? But of course, AotC Obi-Wan is as powerful as Mace Windu and Dooku a match for Yoda, cuz all statements are reliable.

I wasn't aware that Imperial Intelligence had out-of-universe perspectives, out-of-universe sourcebooks and could debate in out-of-universe forums and share knowledge that way. Links?

Greatest =/= best, an argument that's floated around the forum for ages. I believe Valkorion said this because Jadus was the one of the few Sith in the Empire who was not "bound by ancient, irrelevant dogma" as Marr was.

And no in doesn't by itself by it lends credence to Watcher Two's claim, which itself carries authorial intent.

Sure, he's that good, but if Jadus is any good as a combatant, he'd still beat Cipher Nine.

His status doesn't relate to his skills in combat, nor do any of his accolades or accomplishments. He's incredibly powerful, as I said, but not a good combatant.

The Army of Light was helpless before the Storm and would have been annihilated tbh, unlike child Zannah. 🙂

No surprise there, the Army of Light are scrubs. 🙂

Also was this storm the one caused by the Force bomb or the intial ritual?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, and how powerful is that?

More powerful than a planetwide nexus. Not sure how to quantify that, but it's pretty damn powerful. Take it however you will.

And not when he's teleporting faster than blaster bolt can hit him, which move at light-speeds. 👆

Or he just used Precognition to predict Kaliyo firing at him and teleported, which happened to be before the blaster bolt could hit him.

Not really, not when we haven't relevant Canon to compare then too.

Being Canon doesn't mean it can't be exaggerated.

Then its just arbitrary. I mean really, why not throw the Bane trilogy onto that pile as well?

Kind of my point with Zannah's child feat.

On what basis? It's not as if she blocked the entire planetary scope of the storm, merely prevented what washed over her from killing her.

She obviously didn't block the whole planet, but it was razing everything on the planet, IIRC, forests, mountains, etc. so blocking that as a child is pretty damn impressive.

On the other hand we've seen Force users like Vader and Arcann, who holistically much better compare to Jadus tank energies far far more potent that than that merely burns down trees and scorches terrain.

Tanking as an adult and being injured isn't the same as instinctively blocking it as a child and emerging unscathed.

Based off his accomplishments and standing amongst other Sith Lords i.e. the in-universe equivalent of feats and accolades?

What standing against other Sith Lords?

And no in doesn't by itself by it lends credence to Watcher Two's claim, which itself carries authorial intent.

TOR's authorial intent is to hype up their characters as much as possible to make them seem powerful for the sake boss fight fluff.

Considering that again we don't know the circumstances of the fight beyond game mechanics, its baseless to assume what level of a fight Cipher 9 put up against Jadus at all, or how quickly Jadus found himself imprisoned. So what "should" have happened is entirely guesswork.

That he didn't win immediately is a black mark against him, but whatever.

Combat would be unavoidable for Jadus to achieve and maintain his status, most of his accolades relate to how he is undefeatable in that regard, and all the powers he's shown to wield are combat applicable. So yes I'd say it all relates.

Not necessarily. Manipulation ala Ragnos would suffice, I believe that's how Xedrix and Vowrawn maintained their status. You only need to be cunning and have a strong power base to stay in the Council. "Most of his accolades" relate to him being undefeatable by Cipher Nine, which was proven wrong and which isn't amazing anyways. He doesn't have any accolades about beating other Sith in combat to maintain his throne.

how good is jadus

malgus loses, idk if jadus can carry him

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No surprise there, the Army of Light are scrubs. 🙂

Also was this storm the one caused by the Force bomb or the intial ritual?

The ritual Bane helped them perform.