The Great Jensaarai1 on PT Jedi - They Actaully Suck with Lightsabers

Boys and girls, I present you with conventional wisdom before the Sheevists and their lapdogs seize control of the sophistry regurgitation emulator — that Jedi from the PT era, are not just weak... but laughably weak when it comes to the fine art of swordplay. My good friend has sent me a link to this video

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The thing that needs to be considered, is that almost none of the Jedi featured in the films are training for lightsaber duels. They are training to engage blaster-wielding assailants on the battlefield, which means that the typical rules of swordplay are thrown out the window. They are fighting opponents who are only viable at long range, and have no ability to defend themselves against lightsabers.

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The reason why so many Jedi characters com across as poor duelists, is because they're not duelists... at all. Traditional dueling techniques, just aren't relevant to them.

As usual, Jensaarai continues to shape most of the fanon with yet another great video. And he's completely spot on.

Right....because there's not like...a bunch of evidence that completely points to the opposite. Oh wait, there is.

Correction. There are a few statements that contest the idea that PT can't saber duel, but none that override the bigger picture. Jen's assessment still stands. 👆

These statements are where exactly? Plus not really, if they couldn't duel, then Maul would have just destroyed Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan where they stood, both together and separately.

If they couldn't duel, then there wouldn't be so many lightsaber fights throughout the movies and all of TCW and Rebels, so on and so forth.

Then you also have Nick Gillard saying, that Force Users learned every single way to swing a blade and mix it into their own custom fighting styles(Lightsaber Forms). If they couldn't duel, then there wouldn't be exact fighting forms for...you know DUELING..

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
As usual, Jensaarai continues to shape most of the fanon with yet another great video. And he's completely spot on.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
These statements are where exactly?

You misunderstand entirely. This was me throwing you a bone. Now go on, make use of the that trademark Zenwolf-logic and regurgitate a one-liner in a futile attempt to disprove the bigger picture. PT Jedi can't duel to - quite literally - save their lives.

Plus not really, if they couldn't duel, then Maul would have just destroyed Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan where they stood, both together and separately.

That is assuming Maul doesn't have flaws of his own. He's not exactly a veteran Jedi-slayer and only has a couple of notches under belt unlike, for example, Darth Sion, who's essentially Maul's counterpart on steroids. We can also assume that Sion's opponents are generally better than what Maul is use to facing. And of course, Maul, didn't look to good against pre vizla either. A better example would be Dooku, perhaps the only individual studying a form substratumed for saber-to-saber engagements. Which is why Vos has to study under Ventress to get that one-out -of-ten win against him. Which is why he can still hold off Kenobi and his apprentice until the latter is in the 'zone'.

If they couldn't duel, then there wouldn't be so many lightsaber fights throughout the movies and all of TCW and Rebels, so on and so forth.

The vast majority of those duels depicting Jedi on the loosing end. Anyway, the logic is sound, and all you can do right now is find exceptions to the rule without disproving it.

Then you also have Nick Gillard saying, that Force Users learned every single way to swing a blade and mix it into their own custom fighting styles(Lightsaber Forms). If they couldn't duel, then there wouldn't be exact fighting forms for...you know DUELING..

Nick Gillard's entire purpose is atheistic detail. When it comes to an in-universe discussion, particularly when it comes to the expanded universe, he literally hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about. Citing him is as useful as citing the opinions of your mom on the topic.

Actually******

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nick Gillard's entire purpose is atheistic detail. When it comes to an in-universe discussion, particularly when it comes to the expanded universe, he literally hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about. Citing him is as useful as citing the opinions of your mom on the topic.

Is the word "better" in British English synonymous with Sad and/or Pathetic? I can't quite remember, frankly.

lol so even if this is true, what does it matter? everybody in canon fights against blaster, OT, PT, ST, whatever. Luke wand Vader were shittier than anybody in the PT as a fighter I can tell you that much

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Is the word "better" in British English synonymous with Sad and/or Pathetic? I can't quite remember, frankly.

I am sensing some upset...

With your mental functions, indeed. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah something like that. ✅

I'm a guy, tell that to Selenial. 🙂

Are they also a different species there? Their problems are your problems. In so many ways.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Are they also a different species there?

Ziggy, I don't care if the Jedi lose or win.

You put and I quote.

The Jedi are weak in swordplay.

Yet clearly, that's shown to be the opposite throughout the mediums, losing or not.

Also why is Nick not a reliable source? He's the one who came up with how the Jedi fought.

KEK at this thread.

Somebody probably bullied Ziggy when he went to watch the PT movies. That's why he blatantly hates everything that relates to those movies.