Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan

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Here we go...

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku was amazed by Anakin and Obi Wan in RotS.
Refresh me on the exact quote/context you're mentioning?

Re: Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Round 1. SoD Maul
Round 2. TCW Maul
There's a difference?

Originally posted by ILS
Refresh me on the exact quote/context you're mentioning?

I'm on my phone but I'm pretty sure Dooku was confident he could take them both and then was like holy shit they're good I'm getting ****ed.

Re: Re: Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There's a difference?

Yes there is, because Maul gets more powerful with every fart he takes, while Kenobi stagnates during the most intense part of the war 👆

Well at least according to ILS, that is.

He was taken aback because pre-TCW, Dooku last fought them when they used Ataru/Shien or something in AotC - they pretended to still be using those forms and then suddenly sprang their new, much more advanced technique on him.

Aside from in the context of AotC, I don't remember Dooku saying omgwtf you guys are way more powerful than when I last saw you.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Yes there is, because Maul gets more powerful with every fart he takes, while Kenobi stagnates during the most intense part of the war 👆

Well at least according to ILS, that is.

Well, you tried.

I merely argue that there's plenty of evidence Maul would have improved post-SoD, and there's little that Kenobi did heading into RotS - but even being charitable and saying sure, Kenobi inproved during the outer rim campaign, there's no way you can argue that Kenobi Not only improved, but improved at such a faster rate than Maul that he can't be ragdolled anymore. It doesn't make sense.

Not to you perhaps, or you couldn't get erect anymore.

Originally posted by ILS
He was taken aback because pre-TCW, Dooku last fought them when they used Ataru/Shien or something in AotC - they pretended to still be using those forms and then suddenly sprang their new, much more advanced technique on him.

Aside from in the context of AotC, I don't remember Dooku saying omgwtf you guys are way more powerful than when I last saw you.

Dooku also fought them in TCW though.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku also fought them in TCW though.

When RotS was made there was no TCW tho, so that encounter took into account only their meeting in AotC.

Well that out of universe factor doesn't really explain Dooku's thoughts.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well that out of universe factor doesn't really explain Dooku's thoughts.
TCW retcons the quote from Dooku, unless Kenobi and Anakin used their autistic fighting styles from AotC all the way up until their last encounter with Dooku in TCE, and then developed unprecedented Soresu/Djem So mastery in a matter of months.

Not that it gets Kenobi out of ragdoll territory either way.

Also, technically, Dooku's quote is Legends anyway since it doesn't mesh with the movie, whereas TCW is obviously Canon.

Re: Re: Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There's a difference?
Again still holding my breath here for proof, I can only assume a typo and you mean TPM or something, as Maul does nothing but briefly rot in a cell between these two periods.

Maul
Obi-Wan
Maul

and 👆 to ILS

Maul
Kenobi
Meh

Maul sweeps.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Again still holding my breath here for proof, I can only assume a typo and you mean TPM or something, as Maul does nothing but briefly rot in a cell between these two periods.
Maul historically thrives in times of strife and when his hatred intensifies (take a look at his power growth from being stranded on Lotho Minor). After Savage was gutted before his eyes, Sidious announced his replacement, and he was kicked off his throne on Mandalore, I'd imagine Maul is going to be very pissed.

He's gradually growing more powerful during TCW for a variety of reasons according to Shadow Conspiracy (being filled with vision/purpose, him training Savage, etc), so I'm not sure why he'd stagnate over the course of SoD when aforementioned reasons are congruent with what he went through in SoD (grief, torture by both Sidious and Dooku, a war campaign against Sidious, Talzin being gutted before him, etc).

Granted it wouldn't be a massive increase in such a short time period but I suppose it's enough for people to believe SoD > TCW, however slightly.

Rebels Maul must be pretty ****ing powerful, then, right, ILS? 🙂

Well, he did better than anyone against the Inqs and went on to duel evenly against Ahsoka. 🙂