Originally posted by ILSMeh, I'd believe it if it were stated, but I have trouble assuming it without clear evidence. Certainly the logic is sound, but there is little evidence to suggest he was imprisoned for very long at all, in fact from what I gather from the Wookiee, Maul's forces essentially pursue Sidious to where Maul is imprisoned, after which he promptly escapes, so he would have been there for as little as days.
Maul historically thrives in times of strife and when his hatred intensifies (take a look at his power growth from being stranded on Lotho Minor). After Savage was gutted before his eyes, Sidious announced his replacement, and he was kicked off his throne on Mandalore, I'd imagine Maul is going to be very pissed.He's gradually growing more powerful during TCW for a variety of reasons according to Shadow Conspiracy (being filled with vision/purpose, him training Savage, etc), so I'm not sure why he'd stagnate over the course of SoD when aforementioned reasons are congruent with what he went through in SoD (grief, torture by both Sidious and Dooku, a war campaign against Sidious, Talzin being gutted before him, etc).
Granted it wouldn't be a massive increase in such a short time period but I suppose it's enough for people to believe SoD > TCW, however slightly.
I think a sizeable amount of time to meditate on his anger would have been required to reap the benefits. Anything else would merely be a temporary boost imo.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingI would suggest a tiny gap between TCW and beginning-of-SoD, and a noticeable one between TCW and post-SoD.
Meh, I'd believe it if it were stated, but I have trouble assuming it without clear evidence. Certainly the logic is sound, but there is little evidence to suggest he was imprisoned for very long at all, in fact from what I gather from the Wookiee, Maul's forces essentially pursue Sidious to where Maul is imprisoned, after which he promptly escapes, so he would have been there for as little as days.I think a sizeable amount of time to meditate on his anger would have been required to reap the benefits. Anything else would merely be a temporary boost imo.
@Joker I'm still unsure if Rebels Maul improved or not. Stay thy Ahsoka wank for now.
At least why would he decline? I mean he was lifting those massive slabs of rock that looked much larger than the stones Dooku/Savage were lifting, and he ragdolled the Seventh Sister with no issue (She can hold back blast doors/lift that shuttle). Also how would he weaken when he had years soaking up whatever info was in the Malachor temple??
Originally posted by ILS
TCW retcons the quote from Dooku, unless Kenobi and Anakin used their autistic fighting styles from AotC all the way up until their last encounter with Dooku in TCE, and then developed unprecedented Soresu/Djem So mastery in a matter of months.Not that it gets Kenobi out of ragdoll territory either way.
I think we should prefer in-universe explanations to out of universe ones. Dooku should've known at least Obi Wan's fighting style from AotC anyway, so it's possible that he was shocked that they had gotten so good at their main forms. It's hardly unprecedented to have massive power growths in a matter of months (but wasn't it more than that?), and besides, doesn't the databank say that Anakin grew vastly more powerful from TCW to RotS?
Originally posted by ILSPretty sure you've seen both, but here we go:
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"Although he has grown older and gained new abilities throughout his life, Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he's trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger."
http://www.starwars.com/news/darth-maul-the-story-of-an-apprentice
"When we first meet him, this "Old Master" is frail, hesitant, even fearful. As the story continues, you see those traits melt away, but there's a flow to it. The more Ezra trusts, the more Maul becomes himself until, finally, he's at full strength and more powerful than ever."
http://www.starwars.com/news/ranking-rebels-10-highlights-from-twilight-of-the-apprentice
Originally posted by BeniboyblingNice. Thanks.
Pretty sure you've seen both, but here we go:"Although he has grown older and [b]gained new abilities throughout his life,
Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he's trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger."http://www.starwars.com/news/darth-maul-the-story-of-an-apprentice
"When we first meet him, this "Old Master" is frail, hesitant, even fearful. As the story continues, you see those traits melt away, but there's a flow to it. The more Ezra trusts, the more Maul becomes himself until, finally, he's at full strength and more powerful than ever."
http://www.starwars.com/news/ranking-rebels-10-highlights-from-twilight-of-the-apprentice [/B]
Originally posted by The EllimistIt's possible, but unlikely, because it doesn't explain Dooku's thoughts on the usage of their forms. Also, it's their coordination in tricking Dooku that stuns him, not that they've improved leaps and bounds. It may make more sense to say they upped their teamwork between TCW and RotS? Or again, it's a retcon, because Dooku is speaking in an entirely different context from AotC, and there's no way of getting around that.
I think we should prefer in-universe explanations to out of universe ones. Dooku should've known at least Obi Wan's fighting style from AotC anyway, so it's possible that he was shocked that they had gotten so good at their main forms. It's hardly unprecedented to have massive power growths in a matter of months (but wasn't it more than that?), and besides, doesn't the databank say that Anakin grew vastly more powerful from TCW to RotS?
I believe it was only months since their last fight with Dooku was in the last year of the Clone Wars. Anakin did, but his affinity for the Force is infinitely greater than Kenobi's, so I don't see how the same could apply to him.