Luminara vs. Atris

Originally posted by SunRazer
If Ventress were straight up more skilled, that wouldn't mean that she could easily bypass Luminara's defenses at all - for the same reason that Obi-Wan "dueled Dooku to a standstill" in the RotS novel despite Dooku being more skilled. That's how Soresu works.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I agree that Luminara's noticeably more skilled, but not considerably. Where do you have her in skill, anyway? Since Ventress by this time is a near-equal to Obi-Wan, so that'd put Luminara extremely high if you have her on par with Ventress.

Anyways, I think I have Luminara at S1 Ventress level in skill.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Enough of a parity as there is between ROTS Kenobi and Dooku in lightsaber combat is enough tbh
As Newguy so eloquently puts it:

Well, I have Dooku as a tier 9 combatant and Obi-Wan tier 8, sort of like Obi-Wan and Anakin. Early TCW Obi-Wan's considerably further down - this is just post-AotC Obi-Wan, after all. Ventress is a bit below that, and Luminara's a bit below Ventress, so about on par with Qui-Gon or a notch higher. I don't think that's enough to "beat Atris with room to spare", especially not with Drain and other Force powers in play.

@King_Joker - Well, then Luminara is considerably below S1 Obi-Wan, who is essentially AotC Obi-Wan. So yeah, I have Atris more or less on par with Qui-Gon, maybe a notch below. There's really not that much of a gap.

We've never even seen how effectively she can use drain lol, that's hardly enough for me to say she can beat Luminara.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@King_Joker - Well, then Luminara is considerably below S1 Obi-Wan, who is essentially AotC Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
We've never even seen how effectively she can use drain lol, that's hardly enough for me to say she can beat Luminara.

Well, I'm inclined to say she's also more powerful, so I'd assume Drain would work to an extent.

Lumi matched Ventress's Force push well enough tbf

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Compare Ventress vs. Kenobi in TCD and Ventress vs. Kenobi on Teth -- Kenobi performs significantly better in the latter fight, so S1 Kenobi isn't essentially AotC Kenobi.

In fairness, it's probably just TCW's writing, which is almost completely ignorant of continuity at times. That said, familiarity plays a big role. Also, she does disarm him at first, doesn't she?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Lumi matched Ventress's Force push well enough tbf

Doubt that's better than Atris, who was essentially Mind Controlling the Handmaidens and corrupting them to the dark side.

There's also her closing huge doors which couldn't be opened by any conventional means (ie. plasma torches, which could cut through most metal doors) without even breaking her stride or gesturing.

There's also her being severely wounded by Meetra's lightsaber, and then she runs up the ramp into her chambers and presumably uses Force Healing, since when you go up there, she's fully healed. That's a pretty damn good Force Healing feat.

She also knocked out Brianna via Wound (internal telekinesis) without even gesturing.

Originally posted by SunRazer
In fairness, it's probably just TCW's writing, which is almost completely ignorant of continuity at times.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That said, familiarity plays a big role. Also, she does disarm him at first, doesn't she?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Agreed, which is really annoying. Yes, but TCW novelization says Kenobi isn't even trying in his duel with her, so, *shrug*.

I think the junior novelization mentions that Obi-Wan barely defeated her or something. Sounds like TCW isn't even consistent within its own media. TOR has some competition, tbh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I think the junior novelization mentions that Obi-Wan barely defeated her or something. Sounds like TCW isn't even consistent within its own media. TOR has some competition, tbh.

Try attack of the clones... that shit was the worst for continuity between sources.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Try attack of the clones... that shit was the worst for continuity between sources.

Nah, Bane of the Sith and Karpyshyn's trilogy are.