Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The Tempest actually clarified what I meant to say and well you are neglecting things like for example how the Corsair was in a hangar instead of litteraly buried or how apparently sourcebook quotes now give the complete picture despite that I provided examples where they absolutely didn't.
What examples? Your "examples" were made-up context that turned out to be false.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
This is an old excerpt. Can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I glossed over it for all these years is because it's not so much a declaration of great TK as it is declaring that both Kun and Nihilus made important use of shipwrecks for their flagships.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Aha. Nice.But yeah, I honestly don't see the validity of your interpretation. And given how highly I place Kun, there's no real agenda at play.
Mmm, but there's anti-ancient agenda at play 🙂
Anyways, the only distinct aspect of Nihilus' telekinetic resurrection of the Ravager was that he used telekinesis in the process. Ergo, Kun's "similar" accomplishment would've also involved telekinesis. I'm hardly ranking Kun higher because he has it, lol.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah people are a little too quick to jump the gun on multihundred meter long ships being telekinetically ****ed with.
Hardly jumping the gun. I noted the circumstances in the other thread as well. It's not overwhelming, it's just enough to establish Kun as a telekinetic powerhouse and not lackluster as some people suggest.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's great Exar Kun has a new telekinetic feat, but we already knew he could do this (Kreia made pretty clear Darth Nihilus' status in comparison to the ancient Sith), especially with all the temples on Yavin IV.
Originally posted by SunRazer
What examples? Your "examples" were made-up context that turned out to be false.
They are as "made-up" as this quote is Nova. These sourcebook quotes are summarazing certain events in a couple sentences hence why the context, in which these quotes are given, is important. Like I previously mentioned, the fact that Kun's ship actually was in a hangar (and in a relatively good state ) compared to Nihilus's Ravager, which was literally buried, contradicts your entire theory. Nihilus had to use his Force Power in order to lift the Ravager up because it was buried while Kun in this occasion, as proven by TotJ, isn't even remotely in the same position (in Kun's case the word 'buried' has a completely different meaning then in Nihilus's case). So this proves that the context in which this quote is given is more leaning towards the resemblance that both Nihilus and Kun used an older ship in order to escape their 'imprisonment' (like The Tempest explained) then that both had to use their Force power in order to wrench their ships free.
Let's look again at the quotes of both Dooku's and Yoda's fight in AotC and in Dark Rendezvous. First in Aotc, we have multiple quotes (just like this one) explain that Yoda and Dooku were to evenly matched, which would lead to the conclusion that Dooku is a peer of Yoda in both the Force and as a lightsaber combatant, however looking at the more detailed sources (like TotJ is in this thread) we see that Dooku only matched a holding back Yoda and only statlemated Yoda because he decided to flee. So are these quotes which proclaim them equals (or peers) wrong? No they, quite litteraly, translate what happened in that fight however without telling under which circumstances this took place (circumstances which completely changes the general view on this fight). If we take a look at the second example, the duel on Vjun, where Dooku apparently penetrated Yoda's guard however (again) it's the circumstance (Yoda saving a bystander) which determines in which context this quote can be looked at. So it's even more evident that while these quotes provide us with information over what happened, it absolutely doesn't give us the right context in which to interpret these quotes, the more detailed source material (AotC movie, AotC novel, TotJ,...) does this.
You may or may not respond to this comment, please do as you choose but I feel pretty confident that this is the best case I can make for this thread, so unless you bring up some new evidence which would create a different context that actually supports your theory, I'm probably not going to respond to it.
PS I can provide the scan of Kun finding the Corsair in the hangar if you wish.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
They are as "made-up" as this quote is Nova. These sourcebook quotes are summarazing certain events in a couple sentences hence why the context, in which these quotes are given, is important. Like I previously mentioned, the fact that Kun's ship actually was in a hangar (and in a relatively good state ) compared to Nihilus's Ravager, which was literally buried, contradicts your entire theory. Nihilus had to use his Force Power in order to lift the Ravager up because it was buried while Kun in this occasion, as proven by TotJ, isn't even remotely in the same position (in Kun's case the word 'buried' has a completely different meaning then in Nihilus's case). So this proves that the context in which this quote is given is more leaning towards the resemblance that both Nihilus and Kun used an older ship in order to escape their 'imprisonment' (like The Tempest explained) then that both had to use their Force power in order to wrench their ships free.
Let's look again at the quotes of both Dooku's and Yoda's fight in AotC and in Dark Rendezvous. First in Aotc, we have multiple quotes (just like this one) explain that Yoda and Dooku were to evenly matched, which would lead to the conclusion that Dooku is a peer of Yoda in both the Force and as a lightsaber combatant, however looking at the more detailed sources (like TotJ is in this thread) we see that Dooku only matched a holding back Yoda and only statlemated Yoda because he decided to flee. So are these quotes which proclaim them equals (or peers) wrong? No they, quite litteraly, translate what happened in that fight however without telling under which circumstances this took place (circumstances which completely changes the general view on this fight). If we take a look at the second example, the duel on Vjun, where Dooku apparently penetrated Yoda's guard however (again) it's the circumstance (Yoda saving a bystander) which determines in which context this quote can be looked at. So it's even more evident that while these quotes provide us with information over what happened, it absolutely doesn't give us the right context in which to interpret these quotes, the more detailed source material (AotC movie, AotC novel, TotJ,...) does this.You may or may not respond to this comment, please do as you choose but I feel pretty confident that this is the best case I can make for this thread, so unless you bring up some new evidence which would create a different context that actually supports your theory, I'm probably not going to respond to it.
PS I can provide the scan of Kun finding the Corsair in the hangar if you wish.
Not gonna lie, this is completely spot on.
It goes hand-in-hand with Nai's philosophy of just because it was written, doesn't make it true, and how most of the 3rd person statements made in source-books are simply interpretations of things that happen in source material. It's ultimately information that may or may not be true, and if it's contradicted by the comic - it's literally worthless.
So let's see that scan.
If you have a scan of how Kun resurrects the ship and its not telekinesis, then obviously that takes precedence. I was under the impression that the actual resurrection wasn't shown on-panel though, which is why I made the case above. But tomorrow, I'll see whatever you present and if it contradicts the quote above, then obviously the source material takes precedence.