Old Master Maul vs. ROTJ Luke Skywalker

Round 1: Sabers only

ROUND 2: Force

Round 3: All out

Duel takes place on neutral ground

Luke wins sabers. He's a legitimate match for Vader as a duelist.

I need to see more of Maul to make a solid decision. His performance against the Inquisitors was underwhelming. SoD Maul could beat Luke IMO. As of now I'm leaning Luke.

Originally posted by Kurk
I need to see more of Maul to make a solid decision. His performance against the Inquisitors was underwhelming.

Raping them? He dueled with them but it's not like he ever had the advantage. In fact they were were rallying and the SS had him in a saber lock while the other two were coming around to flank him before the Jedi intervened if I remember correctly.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Raping them? He dueled with them but it's not like he ever had the advantage. In fact they were were rallying and the SS had him in a saber lock while the other two were coming around to flank him before the Jedi intervened if I remember correctly.

That was also probably the first time in like a decade Maul had ever dueled anyone.

That being said, he admits he can't take Vader by himself...but Luke apparently can.

Dang...I just thought how great it would be, if the GI had been around for the Finale to really show what he could do. Cause let's face it, the GI was a hell of a lot better of a character than any of the other 3.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Dang...I just thought how great it would be, if the GI had been around for the Finale to really show what he could do. Cause let's face it, the GI was a hell of a lot better of a character than any of the other 3.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
How can you watch that fight and honestly tell me he wasn't kicking their asses?

Because the start of the fight is him swinging his saber in an arc to gain space before landing a kick on the FB and the EB as he fends off their strikes before the other Jedi saber lock 2 of the Inquisitors a few seconds later?

*Shrug*

Originally posted by Syndicate
Because the start of the fight is him swinging his saber in an arc to gain space before landing a kick on the FB and the EB as he fends off their strikes

Originally posted by Syndicate
before the other Jedi saber lock 2 of the Inquisitors a few seconds later?

Obi Wan landed a kick on Anakin, Ventress landed a kick on both Obi Wan and Anakin, Grievous landed a kick on Maul on a Dark Side nexus. Does that mean they raped their opponents? I mean feel free to hold that interpretation, I don't mind.

Granted but that's dependent on Maul having expected them to come to his aid.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Obi Wan landed a kick on Anakin, Ventress landed a kick on both Obi Wan and Anakin, Grievous landed a kick on Maul on a Dark Side nexus. Does that mean they raped their opponents? I mean feel free to hold that interpretation, I don't mind.

Granted but that's dependent on Maul having expected them to come to his aid.

Maul kicks the Eighth Brother away -- doesn't come back attacking for another 5 seconds.

Maul hits the Fifth Brother in the head with his cane and kicks him in the gut -- all within five seconds of their one-on-one.

Maul kicks the Eighth Brother again, and the Eighth Brother doesn't reengage for another 5-7 seconds.

This is all while Maul is easily avoiding them and dancing circles around them. He was embarrassing them.

And sure, but he visibly doesn't even make an attempt to cover his flank and doesn't seem worried. Kanan acts immediately after the Fifth Brother does, so Maul should've known the Jedi were going to help.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Maul engages the Seventh Sister first -- kicks her down literally in two seconds. She doesn't get up for another ten seconds.

Maul kicks the Eighth Brother away -- doesn't come back attacking for another 5 seconds.

Maul hits the Fifth Brother in the head with his cane and kicks him in the gut -- all within five seconds of their one-on-one.

Maul kicks the Eighth Brother again, and the Eighth Brother doesn't reengage for another 5-7 seconds.

This is all while Maul is easily avoiding them and dancing circles around them. He was embarrassing them.

And sure, but he visibly doesn't even make an attempt to cover his flank and doesn't seem worried. Kanan acts immediately after the Fifth Brother does, so Maul should've known the Jedi were going to help.

Granted the kick knocks SS down for a good length of time.

Where is this kick to the EB you're talking about?

LOL. The kick literally doesn't even move FB. He actually legitimately stands in place for the rest of the fight till he engages in a saber lock with Kanan. Don't know if that was an animation error or just FB being retarded.

He's probably standing in place for the same retarded logic FB is. The only reason I can honestly think of for why they're just standing their for full seconds is they're simply not skilled enough to aid their fellow Inquisitors without getting in each other's way similar to how Johun was more of a hindrance to Xaj then a help.

The only real offensive moves he makes against them are in the form of kicks. The rest are either defensive parries or broad slashes to keep them back.

Sure but if he thought he could've beaten the Inquisitors on his own why not press the offensive with the aid of the Jedi rather then just blade locking one of them?

Oh my gosh the three-way blade lock looks gay af and I don't use gay to describe something lightly.

I'm going to be going off so if I don't respond to you it's not me ignoring you.

Spoiler:
It does.

I wouldn't necessarily take most of what Maul did in that episode at face value, including the "I can't take Vader alone" line.

We need to understand that Maul is dissembling throughout the whole episode. His goals are to make use of the holocron firstly and recruit Ezra secondly. To that end he needs to pull the wool over the crew's eyes and make them trust him, so he'll say and do whatever he needs to.

For instance I don't believe for a second Maul couldn't have made the jump to the holocron by himself, or that the slabs of rock were as difficult to lift as he made it seem. But he needed to make Ezra trust him somehow, and what better way than to overcome struggles together?

Same deal with the sabre lock. I believe Maul is to the Inquisitors what Sidious was to Maul and Savage in TCW. They can hang with him for a while but once he gets serious he'll pick them apart one by one.

If he couldn't he wouldn't have rushed them as he did. He purposely allowed Kanaan and Ashoka to intervene to give them a "brothers in arms" experience and lull them to sleep.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
That was also probably the first time in like a decade Maul had ever dueled anyone.

That being said, he admits he can't take Vader by himself...but Luke apparently can.

All we know is Luke is capable of defeating Vader in a "Sabers only" match up.

When Maul said he can't defeat Vader alone he was likely referring to an all out fight.

Although I personally think Vader would take Maul in Sabers as well, and think it's kind of silly for Luke to beat Vader in anything by ROTJ.

Beating Vader (However shit he looked) is more impressive than beating inquisitors. That being said, Maul appears to be more skilled