Originally posted by quanchi112You're right, this news goes in the Jumanji thread.
It is on its third week and people seem to be enjoying Jumanji. Last Jedi brought in the most money domestically already and I bet when all is said and done it'll be the top earner of the entire year of 2017. For ****s sake just stop with the nonsense. It's kind of pathetic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't troll so I don't know how that works.
Ha.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Like what? She's already the leader of the rebellion, what more do you want her to do? Especially when her very well-documented health problems make it so that I'm amazed they gave her as big of a role as they did here. Even this much was a gamble. Which seems to have unfortunately backfired on them with her death. Whatever role she would have had in Ep 9 can't happen now ad I'm sure that will cause some issues.Not really. When they get to Starkiller he admits that he was pretty much bsing his way into the mission so he can get Rey and leave. He didn't really know how to shut it down. He wasn't part of the Rebellion, he only cared about Rey. Which is why at the start of TLJ he immediately tries to leave. His arc in the movie is him discovering something else to fight for besides Rey.
Those characters would have been exactly the same in those aspects if they were all white dudes. Its a pretty ridiculous way to measure the realness of diversity. Suggesting that you can only have real diversity if you personally like the characters is a silly and frankly kind of entitled way to look at it.
That wasn't my conclusion at all, so please don't put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by Firefly218
👆 TLJ does not have "forced diversity". Every character in the movie has a motivation, a character arc and a reason for being there.Just because you're not used to so many non-white or non-male leads doesn't mean there's a problem with the film.
lol, wow.
Originally posted by Firefly218
👆 TLJ does not have "forced diversity". Every character in the movie has a motivation, a character arc and a reason for being there.Just because you're not used to so many non-white or non-male leads doesn't mean there's a problem with the film.
Wtf man!
R1 also had a female lead and diverse cast. So is it possible people just have an issue with the way the diversity was used or forced in this film?
Originally posted by Darth ThorWhat exactly is your complaint about diversity? That there shouldn't have been an Asian woman in the role? That Finn didn't need to be black? That the Rebellion leadership shouldn't be so female?
Wtf man!R1 also had a female lead and diverse cast. So is it possible people just have an issue with the way the diversity was used or forced in this film?
Why are you crying about diversity? Jesus, some of these complaints are ridiculous. I understand people having a problem with Luke Skywalker's characterization or the Snoke/Rey's Parents/Force Awakens reveals. What I don't understand and frankly I think it's stupid and disingenuous is the diversity complaint...
Originally posted by Firefly218
What exactly is your complaint about diversity? That there shouldn't have been an Asian woman in the role? That Finn didn't need to be black? That the Rebellion leadership shouldn't be so female?Why are you crying about diversity? Jesus, some of these complaints are ridiculous. I understand people having a problem with Luke Skywalker's characterization or the Snoke/Rey's Parents/Force Awakens reveals. What I don't understand and frankly I think it's stupid and disingenuous is the diversity complaint...
Again what?
Did I say I have a problem with diversity?
What I'm asking you is if (for instance) people think Rose was a pointless character and basically in there to force diversity are they not allowed to complain about that? Or do they just instantly become racist?
If people have a problem with Rey being a Mary Sue, I guess they're not allowed to complain about that either.. I guess that automatically makes them sexist right?
Bear in mind most the same people had no issue with the diverse cast or female lead in Rogue One.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again what?Did I say I have a problem with diversity?
What I'm asking you is if (for instance) people think Rose was a pointless character and basically in there to force diversity are they not allowed to complain about that? Or do they just instantly become racist?
If people have a problem with Rey being a Mary Sue, I guess they're not allowed to complain about that either.. I guess that automatically makes them sexist right?
Bear in mind most the same people had no issue with the diverse cast or female lead in Rogue One.
You have to see where Firefly is coming from, he considers any criticism directed at a non straight white male to be an example of racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc etc etc.
Originally posted by Darth ThorBut what does Rose being a pointless character have to do with her race? If the actress playing Rose was white, it would be just as pointless right?
Again what?Did I say I have a problem with diversity?
What I'm asking you is if (for instance) people think Rose was a pointless character and basically in there to force diversity are they not allowed to complain about that? Or do they just instantly become racist?
If people have a problem with Rey being a Mary Sue, I guess they're not allowed to complain about that either.. I guess that automatically makes them sexist right?
Bear in mind most the same people had no issue with the diverse cast or female lead in Rogue One.
And I agree with you about Force Awakens, Rey was a bit overpowered. I don’t think that criticism even remotely applies to Last Jedi though.
And I do remember people giving R1 shit for having another female lead, which is stupid and narrow-minded. Not saying this is you, but I’ve heard complaints from elsewhere.
Originally posted by Firefly218
But what does Rose being a pointless character have to do with her race? If the actress playing Rose was white, it would be just as pointless right?And I agree with you about Force Awakens, Rey was a bit overpowered. I don’t think that criticism even remotely applies to Last Jedi though.
And I do remember people giving R1 shit for having another female lead, which is stupid and narrow-minded. Not saying this is you, but I’ve heard complaints from elsewhere.
You're right about Rose being replaced with a white female lead: would not have made her character any better. Actually, I would have preferred Rose be a gay Asian male and Finn to be straight, asexual, or bisexual. And the kiss turns him gay. And Finn has to specifically say, "I only preferred women, before, but that kiss has turned me to the backside of the sexual Force."
Originally posted by -Pr-
There just wasn't very much to Jyn, I thought. She was serviceable, but not particularly memorable. The surrounding characters were far more interesting and entertaining than she was.But no, she shouldn't get a pass.
Far as the villains, Snoke ironically only ended up being a step or two above Krennic in the grand scheme of things... lol
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeThats absurd. Krennic was someone far lower in the machine whereas Snoke was the supreme leader. Snoke would berate Vader as well if he failed him.
Fair enough. Can agree with that much.Far as the villains, Snoke ironically only ended up being a step or two above Krennic in the grand scheme of things... lol