Darth Malak and Darth Malgus vs. Darth Vader

Originally posted by Nephthys
The rule is that Sidious is intimately familiar with Vader's feats both as himself and Anakin and still states Malgus' feats to be unequaled. So claims that Malgus is nowhere near him seem suspect at best.

And yet, per Force & Destiny, we know that the feats associated with such ancient figures are more likely than not exaggerated and hyperbolic.

Dooku and Vader are each intimately familiar with Sidious's abilities, yet you've historically criticized any sweeping endorsement of him by them.

Sounds like you're full of shit.

If this is SF Malak and FE Malgus, they take it. If not, Vader for same said majority.

^ FE Malgus but not SF Malak.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's about as funny as Ant not taking Darth Malak's opinion on Darth Revan > KotOR Revan seriously, but Meetra thinking Revan Reborn > Nihilus is gospel. These types of debaters really just make shit up as they go along.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And yet, per Force & Destiny, we know that the feats associated with such ancient figures are more likely than not exaggerated and hyperbolic.

Dooku and Vader are each intimately familiar with Sidious's abilities, yet you've historically criticized any sweeping endorsement of him by them.

Sounds like you're full of shit.

Sidious literally owns Malgus' diary, lol.

Because Dooku and Vader aren't in a position to compare Sidious' power with that of beings who have been dead for millennia. Sidious has clearly studied Malgus' feats enough to comment on them and he's well-informed enough to make comparisons to those of his own time.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
^ FE Malgus but not SF Malak.

Makes things a bit trickier to judge for me then, as I feel that Malak will be pulling more interference/second-man work. Even so, Vader for a small majority due to Malak losing what I feel would be enough of a boost to keep himself viable as support. Though I will be fair to my own opinion and admit what is Malak's downfall in that regard will likely be a very expertly and potently applied force attack, whether TK or not, as in sabers I feel both combatants possess the raw power to not be battered down by Vader and enough skill and definitely enough endurance cohesively to keep him from truly bearing down on either one in sabers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious literally owns Malgus' diary, lol.

And people document complete truths in their diaries?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Dooku and Vader aren't in a position to compare Sidious' power with that of beings who have been dead for millennia. Sidious has clearly studied Malgus' feats enough to comment on them and he's well-informed enough to make comparisons to those of his own time.

Says who? You? No question that Sidious is better educated than Dooku and Vader; but by what evidence do you have that the two of them are somehow unqualified from making those kinds of judgments?

Plagueis was a student of history as well and he came to the conclusion that no Sith before him equaled or surpassed him in power.

Spoiler:
We know the singular answer to all these questions: You're full of shit lol.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And people document complete truths in their diaries?

......Yes? Thats the point of a diary.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Says who? You? No question that Sidious is better educated than Dooku and Vader; but by what evidence do you have that the two of them are somehow unqualified from making those kinds of judgments?

Plagueis was a student of history as well and he came to the conclusion that no Sith before him equaled or surpassed him in power.

Spoiler:
We know the singular answer to all these questions: You're full of shit lol.

It's impossible for them to make that comparison with an informed point of view, having no way of feeling or measuring the power of every Sith who ever lived, specifically the greatest of them. If I said Steven Hawkings was the smartest man who ever lived my opinion would be worthless because theres no possible way for me to actually know if thats true.

Because Plagueis believed the Ancient Sith were so powerful there's no way they could actually do that stuff, as I recall.

Originally posted by Nephthys
......Yes? Thats the point of a diary.

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Sidious assembled the book of the Sith prior to Grand Inquisitor Malorum's death (which was in 18 BBY) apparently, so that quote doesn't apply to peak Vader even if it was 100% accurate at the time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
......Yes? Thats the point of a diary.

Are you serious? Tell me: have you ever actually spent any meaningful amount of time with another person or are you only familiar with humanity in the abstract? You're either willfully stupid or astonishingly naive about the human condition.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's impossible for them to make that comparison with an informed point of view, having no way of feeling or measuring the power of every Sith who ever lived, specifically the greatest of them. If I said Steven Hawkings was the smartest man who ever lived my opinion would be worthless because theres no possible way for me to actually know if thats true.

Because Plagueis believed the Ancient Sith were so powerful there's no way they could actually do that stuff, as I recall.

Plagueis says that if a preceding Sith equaled him in power, they died in obscurity. Meaning he is making a judgment based on what he knows of previous Sith and making room for the possibility that one such Sith existed, but he simply has no clue who they are. But regarding the Sith he does know about? He's judged himself better than all of them. And since dude knew about Vitiate, that's saying something.

I'm not saying that we should take that as the gospel. I'm telling you that your standards for what is and is not admissible is, predictably, absolute shit lol.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Sidious assembled the book of the Sith prior to Grand Inquisitor Malorum's death (which was in 18 BBY) apparently, so that quote doesn't apply to peak Vader even if it was 100% accurate at the time.

Sidious made later notes and corrections to the book, yet made no such correction to his statement there. Also, his feats as Anakin can be comparable to his ones as Vader's.

Just because Sidious doesn't nitpick every single thing he said in the past doesn't mean he's making that statement in the future. The entire point of that statement was to provide an example for his philosophical viewpoint on rage, and that example was hardly the focus of the paragraph.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Are you serious? Tell me: have you ever actually spent any meaningful amount of time with another person or are you only familiar with humanity in the abstract? You're either willfully stupid or astonishingly naive about the human condition.

There's no reason for Malgus to lie about his battlefield feats in his personal diary. Especially when they'd be on record and easily verifiable anyway. Malgus wouldn't do that, he isn't a dishonest person.

I also recall you arguing that Sidious' statements about himself in his own writings were totally reliable and shouldn't be disregarded. But obviously that can't be true, since you never commit double standards ever. 😆

Regardless it isn't my judgement that's in question here, it's Sidious'. So do you think that he's willfully stupid or astonishingly naive? They're evidently reliable enough for him to take seriously, and since theres no reason to doubt them, this is merely a transparent lowball attempt from you.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Plagueis says that if a preceding Sith equaled him in power, they died in obscurity. Meaning he is making a judgment based on what he knows of previous Sith and making room for the possibility that one such Sith existed, but he simply has no clue who they are. But regarding the Sith he does know about? He's judged himself better than all of them. And since dude knew about Vitiate, that's saying something.

I'm not saying that we should take that as the gospel. I'm telling you that your standards for what is and is not admissible is, predictably, absolute shit lol.

That doesn't discount the fact that he dismissed the most powerful feats of earlier Sith and as he's comparing them to himself he's obviously immensely biased. Sidious clearly isn't dismissing Malgus' feats and he has no reason to be biased.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Just because Sidious doesn't nitpick every single thing he said in the past doesn't mean he's making that statement in the future. The entire point of that statement was to provide an example for his philosophical viewpoint on rage, and that example was hardly the focus of the paragraph.

If he read himself saying something that isn't true, he'd correct himself. Like he does in literally every other part of the book. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
There's no reason for Malgus to lie about his battlefield feats in his personal diary. Especially when they'd be on record and easily verifiable anyway. Malgus wouldn't do that.

Because people don't lie in an age of verifiable records. I sincerely hope you don't pay much attention to, like, the rest of the world, because you're in for a paradigm shift of tectonic proportions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I also recall you arguing that Sidious' statements about himself in his own writings were totally reliable and shouldn't be disregarded. But obviously that can't be true, since you never commit double standards ever. 😆

I'm sure whatever chronic brain damage you've been experiencing for the past several years has been agonizing, but if you tried really hard to pay attention, I'm sure you'll eventually note that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Sidious's conclusions on Malgus vis a vis Vader, but am merely criticizing your habitual use of double standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Regardless it isn't my judgement that's in question here, it's Sidious'. So do you think that [b]he's willfully stupid or astonishingly naive? They're evidently reliable enough for him to take seriously, and since theres no reason to doubt them, this is merely a transparent lowball attempt from you.[/b]

Me
I'm sure whatever chronic brain damage you've been experiencing for the past several years has been agonizing, but if you tried really hard to pay attention, I'm sure you'll eventually note that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Sidious's conclusions on Malgus vis a vis Vader, but am merely criticizing your habitual use of double standards.

Stay strong, Neph. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't discount the fact that he dismissed the most powerful feats of earlier Sith and as he's comparing them to himself he's obviously immensely biased. Sidious clearly isn't dismissing Malgus' feats and he has no reason to be biased.

So, in other words, we take at face value shit that wanks characters you like and disregard the rest.

Good to know nothing's changed with you. Ironically, you're very consistent about your use of double standards. I was nervous you'd surprise me with a curveball of a coherent point.

Nothing here worth responding to.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nothing here worth responding to.

Ain't that the truth. All your posts should include that disclaimer. 😂

I'm on my mobile, so I can't get into lengthy debate, but generally it's pretty obvious Malgus solos.

Malak is pretty much fodder tier but Malgus approaches Vader. *Shrug*

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ain't that the truth. All your posts should include that disclaimer. 😂

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