Originally posted by Sin I AM
He doesnt need to touch him. He's just as fast.Defenders solely due to classic strange being trans not high herald
Originally posted by tkitna
You could be right. He might have some trouble with Thor.
Its not like Superman has gone against sorcerers and won, right?
Originally posted by carver9
Its a simple question. How fast does Surfer combat speed need to be for you to be impressed?
It's a dumb question. If you think you can prove he can keep up, post the feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont think anyone sane thinks Surfer reflexes are one Supermans level. I still want you to answer my question Delta.
The irony that you of all people say someone should answer questions. 🙄
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Speed is never a deciding factor in these type of fights. Youve been here long enough i shouldnt need to prove anything. Go look at his respect thread if you dont think he's fast. Micro, macro, pico bullshit thats just pointless conjecture and goes against 99% of his showings but hey you arent gonna change. The speed argument is fail here so debate a different relevant point please.Strange autoshields are sufficient enough he wont get one shot. He could arguably take these two alone but meh thats another debate.
Character's fight at full capacity.
I'm not saying Superman is far faster than Surfer, but that he is only marginal faster. Hell it can be accepted that they are the same speed.
With that said, Surfer has to be a lot faster than Superman (not equal speed) to pull off exotic powers against him. Unless you can show scans of Surfer pulling off exotic powers at Superman level speeds.
You act as if Superman would hit Strange once every 2seconds. In other words, after the first hit, Strange would have a few seconds to operate magic before he receives a second hit.
This is false. Superman's perception of Strange would be that strange is frozen. Strange is human with absolutely no superspeed. So even after striking him, Strange would still be frozen. Superman can hit Strange hundreds of times or more before one neuron fires in Strange's brain.
In one hit, Superman can break through the autoshields.
Originally posted by h1a8This is false. Superman's perception of Strange would be that strange is frozen. Strange is human with absolutely no superspeed. So even after striking him, Strange would still be frozen. Superman can hit Strange hundreds of times or more before one neuron fires in Strange's brain.
In one hit, Superman can break through the autoshields.
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Stupidest statement ever in KMC history. Profiled so everyone will know what an idiot you are. 😂
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Surfer can absorb someone completely in less than a microsecond. Prove that Surfer can drain someone without touching them in less than 5 seconds. Surfer was absorbing Firelords energy through the aura he was emitting. That is his only feat of draining a Herald level being without touching them.
This is all irrelevant because it's not like the only way for Surfer to beat Superman is an energy drain.
Surfer himself is also largely irrelevant considering they also have Classic Strange to deal with. So even if they somehow brought Surfer down..they certainly can't end this fight before Strange thinks.
Originally posted by EcstaticGraceCorrect. But before he does this, he will be frozen. Many bad things will happen before he forms his first thought.
Strange can change his perception so that everything to him is frozen. Regardless Strange in no way has mere human perception he's performed feats by his own admission by the microsecond
Originally posted by SurturSuperman can ko Strange before he thinks. Think of the diner scene where Superman and flash are talking where everyone is frozen. In that time span, Superman could have inserted many punches. That's all that matters.
This is all irrelevant because it's not like the only way for Surfer to beat Superman is an energy drain.Surfer himself is also largely irrelevant considering they also have Classic Strange to deal with. So even if they somehow brought Surfer down..they certainly can't end this fight before Strange thinks.
Strange has to actually manipulate time to have those perceptions. They are not automatically on before the bell.
Surfer would get matched by Thor for a moment until Superman helps him out.