Originally posted by The Ellimist
What has Deceived Malgus done, beyond killing Zen Zallow and getting stalemated in a wrestling match with a soldier?
What would put you on par with Ventress in skill, if not defeating Ven Zallow?
For power, Malgus is canonically one of the most powerful of Palpatine's predecessors and Palpatine claims that his battlefield feats have never been duplicated. Satele also has Malgus over Baras, Chratis, etc.
As far as showings go, he's sent Aryn Leneer flying across hangars, let loose telekinetic blasts that have lurched the transport he was on in addition to sending doors and bodies flying, etc.
Above all, in Hope, after he had tanked Jace Malcom's missile blast to the face and Satele Shan pinning him to a cliff face and obliterating said cliff face with a rock blast, he proceeded to blow away several tons of rubble that were formerly part of two buildings. Remember that he has 14 years to grow until Deceived.
Originally posted by SunRazer
What would put you on par with Ventress in skill, if not defeating Ven Zallow?
Zallow himself hasn't done much. We know he's highly esteemed (as was Qordis), and can easily cut through fodder sith (as can Lord Hoth and Rastka Lsu).
Ventress has given good fights to TCW Obi Wan, who has significantly better skill feats and accolades than Malgus does, given the praise showered on him, his omnidirectional deflection of blaster fire from hundreds of droids at once, etc.
For power, Malgus is canonically one of the most powerful of Palpatine's predecessors and Palpatine claims that his battlefield feats have never been duplicated. Satele also has Malgus over Baras, Chratis, etc.
This isn't prime Malgus.
As far as showings go, he's sent Aryn Leneer flying across hangars, let loose telekinetic blasts that have lurched the transport he was on in addition to sending doors and bodies flying, etc.
Not anything padawan Anakin didn't do.
Above all, in Hope, after he had tanked Jace Malcom's missile blast to the face and Satele Shan pinning him to a cliff face and obliterating said cliff face with a rock blast, he proceeded to blow away several tons of rubble that were formerly part of two buildings. Remember that he has 14 years to grow until Deceived.
Said Jace also tackles him, grabs his arms and out-wrestles him, LMFAO.
He survives Satele's attack, yes, just as how Ventress survived her fight with Anakin. The building feat still doesn't put him above OCW Skywalker.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Zallow himself hasn't done much. We know he's highly esteemed (as was Qordis), and can easily cut through fodder sith (as can Lord Hoth and Rastka Lsu).Ventress has given good fights to TCW Obi Wan, who has significantly better skill feats and accolades than Malgus does, given the praise showered on him, his omnidirectional deflection of blaster fire from hundreds of droids at once, etc.
Zallow's better than Kao Cen Darach, who held off Vindican and Malgus in Return using a saberstaff and lightsaber. I'd say beating Zallow allows Malgus to give good fights to TCW Obi-Wan/Anakin as Ventress has done.
There's no disparity here, and Malgus' brutality would leave Ventress hard-pressed to exploit any possible skill advantage (which I'm still not seeing).
This isn't prime Malgus.
Malgus' journal from BoS was before Hope, IIRC, and Satele claims that Malgus is most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she ever encountered in Return. Doubt that's literally referring to Malgus as of that time, but I think she means Malgus is more powerful than anybody else she's met, ie. Baras/Chratis. Which is pretty good.
Not anything padawan Anakin didn't do.
Sending Aryn Leneer across hangar is pretty damn good, especially since it was done without notable heavy effort. Aryn's slowed her 500m descent after jumping out of a ship (shielding herself and her partner in the process) and pushed six tram cars with a gesture.
Said Jace also tackles him, grabs his arms and out-wrestles him, LMFAO.
He doesn't out-wrestle him at all. He tackles Malgus when the latter's distracted, and then he couldn't do anything else so he activated his concussion charge and sent them both flying.
He survives Satele's attack, yes, just as how Ventress survived her fight with Anakin. The building feat still doesn't put him above OCW Skywalker.
Yeah, except Ventress wasn't in any position to hurl away several tons of building material after her "survival", lol. Again, Malgus had 14 years to grow afterwards.
At the height of his power, OCW Skywalker could ragdoll Ventress, IIRC.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Zallow's better than Kao Cen Darach, who held off Vindican and Malgus in Return using a saberstaff and lightsaber. I'd say beating Zallow allows Malgus to give good fights to TCW Obi-Wan/Anakin as Ventress has done.
So you're scaling Malgus off of Zallow, and scaling Zallow off of someone who scales back off of Malgus?
There's no disparity here, and Malgus' brutality would leave Ventress hard-pressed to exploit any possible skill advantage (which I'm still not seeing).
Savage and Grievous are also "brutal", it hardly confers a sizable advantage compared to other factors, like the fact that Ventress has simply fought and hanged with more formidable opponents than Malgus has. I suppose you could say that this doesn't establish an upper limit on Malgus, and maybe Zallow is really awesome and we never get to see it, but is that probable? No.
We should also remember that Sidious thought Ventress could grow into a credible threat to himself.
Malgus' journal from BoS was before Hope,
Yes, but it's not like that's the only thing Sidious knows about him. And really, do you expect us to interpret the quote to mean that a) Malgus > all sith after him (lol) and b) that Malgus's personal journal is 100% truth?
IIRC, and Satele claims that Malgus is most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she ever encountered in Return. Doubt that's literally referring to Malgus as of that time, but I think she means Malgus is more powerful than anybody else she's met, ie. Baras/Chratis. Which is pretty good.
Baras and Chratis? Come on, now.
Sending Aryn Leneer across hangar is pretty damn good, especially since it was done without notable heavy effort.
Throwing a human female is top-tier now among Force users?
Aryn's slowed her 500m descent after jumping out of a ship (shielding herself and her partner in the process) and pushed six tram cars with a gesture.
AotC Anakin beats this feat, and he does it without injury, unlike Aryn. Heck, he didn't even have to slow his fall; he just hit the speeder with perfect timing at terminal velocity. 👆
He doesn't out-wrestle him at all. He tackles Malgus when the latter's distracted, and then he couldn't do anything else so he activated his concussion charge and sent them both flying.
Yeah, Malgus couldn't push him back, and he successfully moves his hand up and presses the charge.
Yeah, except Ventress wasn't in any position to hurl away several tons of building material after her "survival", lol. Again, Malgus had 14 years to grow afterwards.
OK, so Malgus can survive having some rock fall on him...? Maybe if the fight comes down to an attrition of heavy blunt injuries, we can take that into consideration. But I'll take hanging with Obi Wan, Grievous, Savage, etc. over beating Zallow and having an eloquent journal.
At the height of his power, OCW Skywalker could ragdoll Ventress, IIRC.
Yeah, but Ventress by her death is presumably more powerful than the one who lost to bloodlusted padawan Anakin.
Blasting away a bunch of rubble isn't that impressive - and from what I recall, it isn't necessary that he literally lifted and flung all of it away. He just needed to throw enough away for him to get out (IIRC?).