Originally posted by cs_zoltanIn the beginning and tail end of the fight he seemed to be ****ing with her, but in the middle of the duel Kenobi's demeanor seemed to become more serious, IMO. I don't think the gap between them is that wide, but yeah, Kenobi was definitely the one in control for the majority of the fight.
Kenobi was almost at Jinn's level by TPM, and in the TCW movie he stomped the shit out of Ventress lol.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So you're scaling Malgus off of Zallow, and scaling Zallow off of someone who scales back off of Malgus?
I'm scaling Deceived Malgus off Zallow, and scaling Zallow off Kao, who scales off Return Malgus. It's not circular.
Savage and Grievous are also "brutal", it hardly confers a sizable advantage compared to other factors, like the fact that Ventress has simply fought and hanged with more formidable opponents than Malgus has.
Savage was overpowering her, lol. Ventress contending with TCW Grievous on Dathomir isn't that great, and TCW Anakin is inconsistent as well. When not enraged, OCW Anakin isn't stronger than Malgus, either.
I suppose you could say that this doesn't establish an upper limit on Malgus, and maybe Zallow is really awesome and we never get to see it, but is that probable? No.
You might think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
Yes, but it's not like that's the only thing Sidious knows about him. And really, do you expect us to interpret the quote to mean that a) Malgus > all sith after him (lol) and b) that Malgus's personal journal is 100% truth?
I didn't say Malgus was above all Sith after him. That said, his battlefield feats not being replicated is a possibility. And it still doesn't refer to Malgus post-Deceved, since that was the last time he was on the battlefield. So it counts.
We should also remember that Sidious thought Ventress could grow into a credible threat to himself.
Doesn't compare to what he thought of Malgus, but okay.
Baras and Chratis? Come on, now.
Baras downed Angral (a candidate for the Dark Council) and was more powerful than Fulminiss, who destroyed cities.
Chratis was stomping Hex Droids with the Force and could've cracked open Eldon Ax's mind like an egg.
Throwing a human female is top-tier now among Force users?
When they're a Jedi of considerable power, it's notable, yes.
Who said it was top-tier? More red herrings.
AotC Anakin beats this feat, and he does it without injury, unlike Aryn. Heck, he didn't even have to slow his fall; he just hit the speeder with perfect timing at terminal velocity. 👆
He hasn't beaten Aryn throwing six trams with a gesture.
Yeah, Malgus couldn't push him back, and he successfully moves his hand up and presses the charge.
Nah, Malgus grabs his hand before he can move it up to stick the charge on Malgus' face (I'm assuming that was what he was going for), so he blew it up in his hand instead.
OK, so Malgus can survive having some rock fall on him...?
You mean tanking a rocket blast, being slammed into a cliff face, a Force blast that destroyed said cliff, and then the cliff rock falling on him? Yeah. Incredible, isn't it?
Maybe if the fight comes down to an attrition of heavy blunt injuries, we can take that into consideration. But I'll take hanging with Obi Wan, Grievous, Savage, etc. over beating Zallow and having an eloquent journal.
He blew away several tons of rubble right after tanking the above. That's out of Ventress' paygrade.
Yeah, but Ventress by her death is presumably more powerful than the one who lost to bloodlusted padawan Anakin.
And Malgus is presumably much more powerful than a severely injured version of him 14 years ago. Your point?
Blasting away a bunch of rubble isn't that impressive - and from what I recall, it isn't necessary that he literally lifted and flung all of it away. He just needed to throw enough away for him to get out (IIRC?).
I'm pretty sure it was stated to be several tons that he blew away. Given the conditions, very impressive.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
In the beginning and tail end of the fight he seemed to be ****ing with her, but in the middle of the duel Kenobi's demeanor seemed to become more serious, IMO. I don't think the gap between them is that wide, but yeah, Kenobi was definitely the one in control for the majority of the fight.
Kenobi was holding back and playing with Ventress until Anakin left the planet. After that happened Kenobi disarmed her in like 15seconds.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Ventress is a scrub tho.
Warm-up: Darth Skotia - asajj murders
Round 1: Ezra Bridger - asajj murders
Round 2: Tionne Solusar - asajj murders
Round 3: Grand Inquisitor - asajj murders
Round 4: Aayla Secura - asajj stomps
Round 5: Tholme - asajj stomps
Round 6: Darth Maladi - asajj stomps
Round 7: Qui-Gon Jinn - asajj wins
Round 8: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Attack of the Clones) - asajj wins
Round 9: Anakin Skywalker (Attack of the Clones) - anakin wins
Round 10: Quinlan Vos (Legends) - asajj wins
Round 11: Kit Fisto - asajj wins by hair
Round 12: Sora Bulq - asajj dies
Round 13: Plo Koon - either way
Round 14: Darth Talon - asajj wins
Round 15: Satele Shan - asajj wins
Round 16: Darth Marr - asajj wins
Round 17: Darth Malgus (Deceived) - not sure
Round 18: Kyle Katarn - either way
Round 19: Lord Scourge - asajj wins
Round 20: Darth Maul (The Phantom Menace) - asajj dies
Boss: Obi-Wan Kenobi (The Clone Wars: Season 5) - asajj dies
Originally posted by cs_zoltanI know of the quote saying Kenobi wasn't trying (though, I believe that was in the beginning of the fight, similar to how the movie portrays Kenobi messing around), but does it say that Kenobi was specifically holding back until Anakin escaped? Because I don't see why Kenobi would have waited that entire duration to finally disarm Ventress.
Kenobi was holding back and playing with Ventress until Anakin left the planet. After that happened Kenobi disarmed her in like 15seconds.
Either way, like I said, Kenobi was clearly ****ing with her in the beginning and near the end in the walkway, but in the middle of the fight his demeanor visibly changes to be more serious, like he wasn't ****ing around.
Also Zoltan if you want to wank Kenobi it should be in your best interest to wank the opponents he's defeated, like wtf. 🙂
The reason for ****ing around with Ventress (not literally, she's gross) is simple. Kenobi was just a distraction. He knew if Ventress feels like she's losing she's gona run like the little ***** she is 🙂
Kenobi only needed to buy time for Anakin, defeating Ventress was irrelevant:
"You haven't seen your protege's award-winning performance on holovid yet. . . ," she said.
"I'm sure he was magnificent, but there's one little snag."
"Go on. The only way I'm going to shut you up is by taking your head off, I can see that. So have your last moment on stage."
Kenobi looked up at the sky. "Feel it?"
Ventress readied herself for another diversionary tactic. She'd been preoccupied trying to contain Kenobi, too busy and angry to concentrate on feeling the subtler variations in the Force, and any suggestion that she should turn her attention elsewhere wasn't going to work. But now that she'd stopped for a moment, she felt it.
Skywalker was gone.
Ventress is a mindless fuggot, while Kenobi is smart 🙂
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Also Zoltan if you want to wank Kenobi it should be in your best interest to wank the opponents he's defeated, like wtf. 🙂
There's Maul, Grievous and Anakin for that. Ventress is just a shitstain 🙂