Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, and if we're going off Jeremy Barlow, Vader's on a separate level to Dooku,
Don't even have to go off Barlow for this part, as Canon novels and statements have confirmed Machine Vader > ROTS Anakin who we know was > Dooku.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku, who's on a separate level to Maul.
Rebels Maul might finally be on par with Dooku tbf though.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Canon says Vader > Rebels Maul > TCW Maul > TPM Maul.So we've moved a long way since the days where Lucas implied that maybe Vader = TPM Maul 😎
I never said equal, lmfao. I'm saying they're on the same tier. Maul's power might've grown, but not to place him beyond Vader's general league, meaning they'd still be in the same tier.
So still, if Vader is 80 of Palpatine like people tote around, then he's also just somewhat above Maul and Tyranus 👆
Originally posted by SunRazer
He said that Vader was "maybe eighty percent" of the Emperor's power, and then he clearly suggested that Maul and Tyranus were closer to him than he was to Sidious. It's doesn't deserve a fraction of the wank it gets, tbh.
'Tis the point I'm trying to make. If we take that quote seriously, then we should take all of Lucas' words seriously and that, quite frankly, won't pay off much.
Originally posted by MythLord
I never said equal, lmfao. I'm saying they're on the same tier. Maul's power might've grown, but not to place him beyond Vader's general league, meaning they'd still be in the same tier.So still, if Vader is 80 of Palpatine like people tote around, then he's also just somewhat above Maul and Tyranus 👆
Completely outdated quote.
Lucas was referring to TPM Maul at the time LMAO.
Vader is in another league to TCW Maul let alone TPM Maul.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Dooku hasn't shown anything close to frigate busting --- before hitting his peak --- tbh.
Yeah. Smashing together 80-600m cruisers with two other ships and hurling that wreckage so it can block the entrance, and doing it "easily". And leaving behind pools of darkness in the process.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, we have no clue how big those ships were ---- it was on a DS Nexus, that, and moving ships requires nowhere near the force required to obliterate them. Especially, when you're simultaneously shielding it from star-level heat.So yeah, Dooku still isn't Starkiller-tier Force users, KEK.
Every ancient war cruiser that Watson could've been referring to would have to be 80m-600m.
The DS nexus argument doesn't work since it was just about impotent by then, and Dooku presumably grows in power in the four years after. Starkiller isn't the only one who did his feat pre-prime. And Starkiller used maximum effort, IIRC, whereas Dooku did it all "easily".
Every ancient war cruiser would have to be 80m-600m.
The DS nexus argument doesn't work since it was just about impotent by then
and Dooku presumably grows in power in the four years after.
Gonna need some act evidence for such, and not the usual arbiterary logic you like to pull to "win" in these debates.
Starkiller used maximum effortIIRC