Visas Marr vs Jolee Bindo

As I recall she's said to be greater than all other subordinates in the Triumvirate in her position as Shadow Hand. Kreia says she's a pretender because Visas never really had the mentality of a Sith or truly embraced their teachings. That doesn't make her weak.

You recall wrong. And I guess that's why Traya called them children with lightsabers. Because they never embraced the idea of coming to work on Monday mornings.

Well, the KotORCG claims that Visas is second only to Nihilus amongst the Sith loyal to him, but how many are there and how good are they?

We'll see when we find the quote. And Traya said everyone were children with lightsabers. She's not exactly an objective source on merit.

It's this:

"A Shadow Hand's expertise in cruelty, trickery, and the dark side are second only to the Master - for now."

-- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

I wonder if Fresh has ever come to the conclusion that things get retconned.

In fairness, most of TOR's retcons relating to KotOR II are done out of blatant ignorance and are hard to stomach. What they did to the Exile and Kreia makes you want to choke babies.

I championed said anger, my friend, I am learning to lose a few battles to win a war however. With acceptance we can see that, though Bioware entirely fails to grasp the concepts of Kotor II, willingly or otherwise. A prime example:

>"The events of the second game took place in the shadows, so not many people know about it three centuries later."
>*Lord Scourge, Hero of Tython, Nariel and a ton of others all reference Kotor2*

What they do give us however, is a surprising amount of wank for Kotor 2 characters.

Is there any other KotOR II wank material that you've come across?

The empire under Vaverone is desperate to gain Nihilus' holocron and learn the Triumvirate's secrets. Nariel, a Jedi Knight, states that the secrets of the Triumvirate can never be learned by the Sith Empire and that stopping Vaverone saved countless lives. If Vaverone gains the holocron, she immediately ascends to becoming a Darth.

Yeah, I've played through that as a Smuggler. Anything else?

Scourge and the Hero make the Exile out to be basically legendary and agree with her abilities to resist the Emperor in the same vein as Revan and the Hero herself.

Not much, admittedly.

I know about Scourge declaring the Exile as one of the greatest heroes, but where did he claim that she could also resist the Emperor in the same/similar way as Revan? That's pretty damn good.

Scourge gets pissed off about Jedi brain-washing, saying the Hero might be young enough to 'cultivate the strength of the Sith'. Hero counters by saying that Revan, the Exile and the Hero herself were all Jedi trained but only they resisted the Emperor, not the Sith. Scourge eventually agrees and says Jedi strengths are different but not lesser.

That's not what I was hoping for, but could I get a link anyway?

https://youtu.be/HNto5fIGMV0

Skip to 3:20.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I wonder if Fresh has ever come to the conclusion that things get retconned.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, the KotORCG claims that Visas is second only to Nihilus amongst the Sith loyal to him, but how many are there and how good are they?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
There's no quote that ranks Visas even remotely close to Triumvirate, Sion, who are themselves, Sion, relatively unimpressive, Sion,

lol, what?

Sion is ****ing terrible, my dude. Like legit terrible.

I got that. It's just your last couple of phrases are funny.

"Sion, who are themselves"

"Sion,"