Originally posted by Lestov16
Bomb the shit out of them? As in drone strikes, as the same thing Hillary will do? We need mass deployment of troops.As far as letting them in, as I stated they are non-Wahhabi Muslims fleeing what is essentially a genocide by ISIS. IMO, there should be better security checks to determine one's Islamic sect, which would MASSIVELY help determine who is a terrorist, as all ISIS members are Wahhabis, meaning they are Sunni. So if we can determine which refugees are Sunni, that would essentially allow us to weed out the potential ISIS members. All we need are loyal Muslim Americans from our federal agencies and intelligence communities who can interpret the sect difference and teach said methods to federal agents.
Trump is not going to fair well internationally because a Muslim ban would essentially be an insult to 1.3 billion people across the globe. We'd get zero help from the Middle East. You think the Turkish, Kurds, Iraqi Shiites, Saudis, or Syrians will help us knowing they aren't allowed in our country and that we let their people die via ISIS genocide by sending them back? If anything will cause ISIS membership to rise larger and faster? We'll be completely alone in unfamiliar territory facing people who live in it and know it like the back of their hand.
But that's assuming he deploys troops. I specifically remember him on Morning Joe ducking Joe's repeated question of if Trump would be willing to deploy troops. As you said, he plans to bomb them more, which essentially means he's just going to continue to do what Obama does, dropping missiles on them, which as we see does nothing more than kill innocents and incite more hatred towards us.
So Trump isn't a good foreign policy option either.
Dude break your programming. Trump has scared the status quo.
People are scared of him, and they should be.
If you think Trump is doing Clintons bidding it's hilarious.
Since when would he ever let a woman like her, push him the fck around?
Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK, but IIRC, aren't the Green Party doves when it comes to war?
Yeah, pretty much. Here's Jill's platform regarding international / military shit:
[list]
[*]Establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and nonviolent support for democratic movements around the world.
[*]Cut military spending by at least 50% and close the 700+ foreign military bases. Ensure a just transition that replaces reductions in military jobs with jobs in renewable energy, transportation and green infrastructure development.
[*]Stop U.S. financial and military support to human rights abusers. Barring substantial changes in their policies, this would include Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt.
[*]End the US’ role as the world’s arm supplier.
[*]End use of assassination as an instrument of U.S. foreign policy, including collaborative assassination through intermediaries.
[*]End the destructive US economic and military intervention into the affairs of sovereign nations. Such intervention serve the interests of multinational corporations and global capitalism over the interests of the vast majority of the citizens of those nations.
[*]Freeze the bank accounts of countries that are funding terrorism, including the Saudi royal family.
[*]US policy regarding Israel and Palestine must be revised to prioritize international law, peace and human rights for all people, no matter their religion or nationality. End US policies that have supported the worst tendencies of the Israeli government in its treatment of the people of Palestine.
[*]Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.
[*]Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.
[*]End the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, withdrawing troops and military contractors.
[*]Join 159 other nations in signing the Ottawa treaty banning the use of anti-personnel land mines.
[*]Lead on global nuclear disarmament:
[*]Rejoin the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which the US dropped out of in 2002 when it installed missiles and missile bases in Turkey, Romania, and Poland.
[*]Agree to Russia’s proposal to jointly reduce US and Russian nuclear arsenals to 1,000 nuclear weapons each. Also call for all countries to the table to negotiate a treaty for the complete elimination of nuclear weapons.
[*]Remove US nuclear weapons in Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Italy and the Netherlands.
[*]Support Russia and China’s joint effort to open negotiations on a treaty to ban weapons in space.
[*]Pledge to end any further laboratory or sub-critical nuclear tests at the Nevada and Novaya Zemlya test sites, and end all nuclear weapons research, design, and modernization at the weapons laboratories.
[*]The US must take the lead in nuclear disarmament by itself starting to disarm. We should create a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in the area to join.[/list]
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Dude break your programming. Trump has scared the status quo.People are scared of him, and they should be.
If you think Trump is doing Clintons bidding it's hilarious.
Since when would he ever let a woman like her, push him the fck around?
Dude, it's not about women vs men. It's about 1.3 billion people, including several whose help we will need to defeat ISIS, such as the Kurds, Turkish, and Syrians, who will immediately withdraw any support of us if we
A) ban any foreign Muslims from entering, meaning anybody of those nationalities, where Islam is the majority religion
B) send Sufi and Shiite refugees to get slaughtered by ISIS in a mass genocide, meaning not only did we ban Muslims from entering, but we effectively led them to slaughter
ISIS numbers would skyrocket with Muslims angry at the U.S. We would have outright insurgency wars going on right in our backyard from domestic terrorists sympathetic to the plight of the refugees we allowed to slaughter. NOI types will start advocating black Muslims for war. You'll be seeing Micah X. Johnsons everywhere. It would be the powder keg explosion for the race war we all fear. True war in the streets as a result of that Muslim ban.
Again, it's not about man vs woman. It's analyzing the geopolitical situation if a Muslim ban occurred. I don't view this situation with any kind of gender bias. Remember, I supported Sanders over her. It's just Trumps Muslim ban will exacerbate the ISIS situation far beyond anything we can imagine. That's not anything I read from any Hillary article. I read none of her propaganda.
Look what you need to understand us that the media is scaring you. The refugee process here in America is FAR more stringent than those in Europe when it comes to Syrian refugees.
Here is just one article that explains how (with documented sources, so it's not biased):https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/syrian-refugees-in-america-fact-from-fiction-congress
We've had two Muslim terrorist attacks here, but both were homegrown. There's a reason no Syrian refugees have pulled off a terrorist attack here in the past 3 years ISIS took over.
As stated, they are REFUGEES, fleeing from a genocide for not being Sunnis. We haven't been suffered a terrorist attack by a Syrian refugee yet so any fear of Syrian refugees is unjustified.
As stated, they're not even Sunnis, less lone likely to be indoctrinated into Wahhabism. The only thing that would cause them to attack us is, say, if we issued a ban that sent their loved ones home to be slaughtered by ISIS for not being Sunnis, the entire reason they fled in the first place.
And like I said, we aren't Europe. Our Syrian refugee vetting system is WAY better. If a Syrian refugee attacks us, we'll have legit reason to fear. Like I said, so far 3 years and we haven't let one slip in yet. So let's not blame them for the acts of the people trying to kill them.
the fact that we are so scared of ISIS that we're even afraid of the people they're trying to slaughter, to the point of sending them back to said slaughter via ban even though they haven't attacked, only shows that they are succeeding in their goal: Terrorism.
They have terrorised us to the point that we will sacrifice the innocent out of paranoid ignorance. That is why Trump can't win. His Muslim ban isn't America's best hope. It's ISIS's ultimate victory.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Depends. What are their views on women, LGBT people, apostates, etc.?
Essentially they're like Christians. They have a personal dislike for it, but don't think it's the government's job to enforce it. That's the thing about Sufism. Sunnis and Shiites teach sharia law, that religion must be enforced and indoctrinated into people. Sufism believe Islam is a choice that one must make of their own free will and any forced Islam is false Islam.
Originally posted by Lestov16
And Trump will cause ISIS to grow to uncontrollable levels as I explained.I also explained how the Muslim ban will do the opposite of unite America.
And yes, I know Hillary created ISIS. I explained how three posts before this one.
Ok so we on the same page she created them, Trump will destroy them regardless if you don't think he will.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Essentially they're like Christians. They have a personal dislike for it, but don't think it's the government's job to enforce it. That's the thing about Sufism. Sunnis and Shiites teach sharia law, that religion must be enforced and indoctrinated into people. Sufism believe Islam is a choice that one must make of their own free will and any forced Islam is false Islam.