Originally posted by SunRazer
What powers on Desann's behalf let him win based on that? Traya couldn't beat Surik on a colossal geyser of DS energies and Surik presumably grew after killing Traya.
Simple really.
If he was able to to TK that structure with a mere, effortless gesture on the Artis Station, TK Luke on the Doomgiver all without a Nexus.
Then why are we assuming Desann amped by Yavin wouldn't be able to do so much more?
Let's consider the fact that Yavin, by this stage, has allowed Dorsk 81 and several Jedi to pool their powers together to blast a fleet into Oblivion, with the Temples acting as power beacons.
Based on the evidence shown in different sources, Desanns power would be at an all time high, given his already impressive strength prior to this, its pretty safe to assume that Desann is extremely powerful by the end game.
The Exile has never showcased the same destructive power in any sources. Her ability to wrestle Kreia for control over her sabers is impressive, to be sure. But it appear to be attributed more to technical refinement rather than pure power. Lets also consider the fact that perhaps this is possible for the Exile because Kreia is near Death in this fight.
Meetra is impressive, but Desann is simply a stronger force user and a better duelist.
I keep hearing about this structure - but I've yet to hear details. How big is it, approximately?
Also, TK'ing Luke? It was a pretty meaningless TK and seemed like something he did so he could escape.
Regarding the Exile's lack of demonstrable destructive power, that's mostly because most of her fights occur with relative uncertainty in relation to what she does in them. That said, the Prima Guide claims that "there is no substitute for raw destructive power" in the Trayus Academy.
As for Kreia being near-death - it's balanced out by the fact that it's on a colossal geyser of DS energies, which would amp her considerably and weaken Surik just as considerably. KotOR CG even claims that in that moment, Kreia called upon "vast telekinetic powers", so if we're taking the Exile's ability to disrupt Traya's control over the sabers with telekinesis, then that's incredibly impressive since the Exile was weakened considerably. And the Exile grows in power upon killing Kreia (presumably).
Originally posted by SunRazer
I keep hearing about this structure - but I've yet to hear details. How big is it, approximately?
I think he's talking about this:
Originally posted by SunRazer
I keep hearing about this structure - but I've yet to hear details. How big is it, approximately?
Videos been shown. Any more questions about it?
Also, TK'ing Luke? It was a pretty meaningless TK and seemed like something he did so he could escape.
Really? Sheev threw those senate pods at Yoda so he could escape = meaningless too?
Dooku choked out Ventress to escape = meaningless too?
Maul tked a ship to escape = meaningless?
Thats a dumb af thought.
Regarding the Exile's lack of demonstrable destructive power, that's mostly because most of her fights occur with relative uncertainty in relation to what she does in them. That said, the Prima Guide claims that "there is no substitute for raw destructive power" in the Trayus Academy.
Could i please get the entire quote? Or a scan would be better. I am well aware of the quote, i simply lack context.
As for Kreia being near-death - it's balanced out by the fact that it's on a colossal geyser of DS energies, which would amp her considerably and weaken Surik just as considerably.
Is there a quote saying she was weakened considerably? I am just curious if this an actual thing before i continue to attack this point.
KotOR CG even claims that in that moment, Kreia called upon "vast telekinetic powers", so if we're taking the Exile's ability to disrupt Traya's control over the sabers with telekinesis, then that's incredibly impressive since the Exile was weakened considerably. And the Exile grows in power upon killing Kreia (presumably). [/B].
Oh so it's disrupt? Could be she simply tked Kreia and the old woman lost her focus interesting.
Still, Desann>Exile
"A world of cataclysmic violence and concentrated dark side energy."
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Prima Official Game Guide
"The dark side energy seething throughout the planet has created a terrain of jagged rock spires, treacherous paths, and sheer cliffs."
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Prima Official Game Guide
"[The exile must avoid] the glowing green cracks in the soil; these mark the location of poison gas vents."
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Prima Official Game Guide
"There is a world on the outer rim surrounded by mass shadows. Past the graveyard of Mandalorian warships this planet suffers. Crushed in gravity's fist. To walk on it's surface is to feel it crushing every cell of your being. It is like being buried alive until it seems you will never breathe again."
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface—drowns them in the power of the dark side. It corrupts all life, and it feeds on death."
- Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Visitors to the planet face extremely harsh conditions.
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
Traversing it's surface had been agony. Mentally, she had still sensed the anguish of all who had lost their lives there. Physically, the intense gravity of the world had held her in its crushing grip, leaving her gasping for breath. It had been the most awful and horrific experience of her life.
- Star Wars the Old Republic: Revan[/quote]
On Malachor she'd felt the echoes of unimaginable pain [...] On Malachor she had felt the echo of great destruction.
- Star Wars the Old Republic: Revan
The nexus of Trayus Academy, the core is a clawlike altar built over a colossal geyser of dark side energy. It is here that you face your ultimate battle and fulfill your destiny.
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Prima Official Game Guide
These were the conditions Meetra faced whilst fighting through packs of storm beasts(essentially Rancors, but faster), and a legion of amplified elite Sith assassins. Then she faced Darth Sion and Darth Traya.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Videos been shown. Any more questions about it?
Yeah. Why do you imagine that to be beyond Traya or a reason for dominating Surik?
Really? Sheev threw those senate pods at Yoda so he could escape = meaningless too?
Sheev didn't bail from Yoda ala Desann, lol.
Dooku choked out Ventress to escape = meaningless too?
Which fight is this?
Maul tked a ship to escape = meaningless?
Umm... what? Maul dragging a ship to obstruct someone's movement isn't the same as TK'in somebody in the midst of a fight so you can bail on them.
Could i please get the entire quote? Or a scan would be better. I am well aware of the quote, i simply lack context.
Here:
Skills and subtlety may have served you well previously, but here there is no substitute for raw destructive power, whether through combat feats or Force attacks. Only by fighting your way through the Sith's strongest guardians can you earn the right to confront your nemesis.--Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide
Is there a quote saying she was weakened considerably? I am just curious if this an actual thing before i continue to attack this point.
AP listed some quotes below.
Or gets nerfed tbh.
Drew's stupidity - but we're only using the Exile in the context of the game here. So no.
Oh so it's disrupt? Could be she simply tked Kreia and the old woman lost her focus interesting.
No, it mentions using telekinesis on the lightsabers, not Kreia.
Still, Desann>Exile
Based on? You haven't accounted for skill and I'm not seeing him dominating anything with power here.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
given the thousands of respect threads out there. Stop encouraging the lazy.
Tbfh 👆
Especially since (correct me if I'm wrong, the formatting's just the same) AP grabs them from my blog for ease of access. People need to stop asking anyone to cite sources for The Exile's feats and just look at my blog on them, and Nova's Respect Thread.