Originally posted by SunRazer
Sel/AP - Do you have conclusive quotes about Meetra resisting Malachor V's corruption? I know she obviously did, but I'm surprised that there's not many sources that directly state it.
Interestingly... no.
I guess it's not that shocking, since very few sources recount her journeys on Malachor in the past tense, so not finding one that peers into that specific detail shouldn't be too surprising. The closest we get would be during the Revan Novel, I guess.
Originally posted by AncientPower
It was thirty Jedi, not several.
Fine, "many" in any case the fact that there's*thirty Jedi assisting Dorsk only adds to my point that this was possible because of their powers and the massassi temple.
@Sunrazer. I can't reply in length. My uncles part of the family wants yo celebrate my baby sis' Bday.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceIts pretty hard, actually, unless the person is off-guard.
Oh, shit I forgot how hard it is to TK someone. I mean who cares if Luke didn't even get injured?
Like Kanan and Ezra TK'ing Maul, or Savage ragdolling Ventress and Dooku.
Luke isn't off-guard when Desann TK's him, and it knocks him down long enough for Desann to pull the rocks down on top of him.
Regardless, Luke implies that neither of them are a match for Desann on their own.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Its pretty hard, actually, unless the person is off-guard.Like Kanan and Ezra TK'ing Maul, or Savage ragdolling Ventress and Dooku.
Luke isn't off-guard when Desann TK's him, and it knocks him down long enough for Desann to pull the rocks down on top of him.
Regardless, Luke implies that neither of them are a match for Desann on their own.
An hero please. 😈
Spoiler:
LOL, no, nothing wrong with you or yours post, I just had to after this troll-butthurt thread of yours 😛 No worries pal
Originally posted by BazookaMaster
An hero please. 😈Spoiler:
LOL, no, nothing wrong with you or yours post, I just had to after this troll-butthurt thread of yours 😛 No worries pal
I wasn't butthurt, dumbass.
I was offended for a completely good reason.
If anybody wants to continue that debate, I'm fine with it. You can't justify yourself after doing that.
Now, I think you might be a bit on the younger side, so I'll let this slide.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah. Why do you imagine that to be beyond Traya or a reason for dominating Surik?
She Telekinetically wrecked the Council by taking them by surprises, and later(in restored and cut content) she owns all of them via Choke, Crush, Whirlwind and..(?)
In any case, this is impressive. But while the Council is impressive, they don't necessarily have the best track record.
The Council have done what, exactly? To cement their defeat at the hands of Kreia as something comparable to destroying an entire structure with a casual gesture?
The Enclave feat is something they achieved through working together, even then we know nothing of how long it took for them to repair it. Kreia ability to multitask between choking someone, tking someone else and mind****ing another person is impressive to be sure, but she has hardly displayed the raw strength to achieve what Desann has 😬
If anything, she'd use TK on the support structures rather than go for the damn thing head on.
Sheev didn't bail from Yoda ala Desann, lol.
Touche.
Which fight is this?
Several, the battle on Vjun Castle with the Nightsisters, the battle after he fought her and Savage, her being wrecked in OCW
Umm... what? Maul dragging a ship to obstruct someone's movement isn't the same as TK'in somebody in the midst of a fight so you can bail on them.
Who cares? The point is the fact that he did that while running away is Impressive, nobody points out that he was fleeing! It's just impressive.
Nobody points out Dooku was being beaten back by the Nightsisters when he used Lightning and TK in conjunction, it's simply impressive that he did it. Nobody points out that Vader used TK to beat Roan Shryne 6 months after ROTS, it's simply impressive that he was able to kill him. Nobody points out that Kas'im wasn't bested through Saber combat by Bane, but rather by TK(IK everyone points this out, I am trying to make a point)
I could go on, the focus is never shifted on context on these boards, the spotlight merely stays on the badassery of the feat, nothing more. Why is it suddenly different with Desann? I'm not saying you do this, but it is a reoccurring issue of little importance.
What the point is, is that Luke Skywalker has rarely, if ever, at this point, been taken by surprise by - and thrown with - a blast of TK. Strength in the Force is synonymous with Force Barrier, the fact that Desann was able to break through the defenses of the Strongest Jedi the galaxy has ever known, even in the middle of battle, is impressive, not Palpatine tier, but at least powerful enough to contend with some of the best.
I'm sure plenty of people can achieve what Desann did to the structure. Revan, an amped Bane, Amulet Kun, Vader, Windu, Dooku, Yoda, Sheev, Valkorion. But I assure you all that each person you mention will be strong, indeed.
And, while many would be capable of achieving that feat through different means, only a handful of Force Users could affect Luke in that same way, to a greater, or a lesser extent
Here:AP listed some quotes below.
That's interesting, hmm. I thought there was more tbh lol.
Drew's stupidity - but we're only using the Exile in the context of the game here. So no.
Just a bit of humor, friend.
No, it mentions using telekinesis on the lightsabers, not Kreia.
So she can TK sabers? Knock em out into a the vast emptiness of Malachor or into a wall? :mmm: If i remember correctly there should be a quote about the Lightsaber being given a will of their own.
Based on? You haven't accounted for skill and I'm not seeing him dominating anything with power here.
Via power scaling he is above Tavion, who despite being below the likes of the Shadow Troopers(Who are regarded as "Technical Masterpieces"-Jedi Outcast guide) and Reborn Boss(who have the following wank "The toughest of all Reborn, these guys are excruciatingly fast, and cunning with a lightsaber"-Jedi Outcast guide) is still a "Force to be reckoned with" as an Apprentice. Yet Desann rules over the Reborn and Shadow Troopers, despite the Reborn having had their powers quadrupled by the Valley(Citation: Jedi Vs Sith) and their focus on Lightsaber combat over the Force(Citation: Threats of the Galaxy) Desann is still their Master, and Superior, one would assume that like with Revan/Malak/The Triumvirate}, he is their superior in all areas.
:mmm: I need to get on that RT
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Because she has showcased no such thing?She Telekinetically wrecked the Council by taking them by surprises, and later(in restored and cut content) she owns all of them via Choke, Crush, Whirlwind and..(?)
In any case, this is impressive. But while the Council is impressive, they don't necessarily have the best track record.
The Council have done what, exactly? To cement their defeat at the hands of Kreia as something comparable to destroying an entire structure with a casual gesture?
The Enclave feat is something they achieved through working together, even then we know nothing of how long it took for them to repair it. Kreia ability to multitask between choking someone, tking someone else and mind****ing another person is impressive to be sure, but she has hardly displayed the raw strength to achieve what Desann has 😬
If anything, she'd use TK on the support structures rather than go for the damn thing head on.
Touche.
Several, the battle on Vjun Castle with the Nightsisters, the battle after he fought her and Savage, her being wrecked in OCW
Who cares? The point is the fact that he did that while running away is Impressive, nobody points out that he was fleeing! It's just impressive.
Nobody points out Dooku was being beaten back by the Nightsisters when he used Lightning and TK in conjunction, it's simply impressive that he did it. Nobody points out that Vader used TK to beat Roan Shryne 6 months after ROTS, it's simply impressive that he was able to kill him. Nobody points out that Kas'im wasn't bested through Saber combat by Bane, but rather by TK(IK everyone points this out, I am trying to make a point)
I could go on, the focus is never shifted on context on these boards, the spotlight merely stays on the badassery of the feat, nothing more. Why is it suddenly different with Desann? I'm not saying you do this, but it is a reoccurring issue of little importance.
What the point is, is that Luke Skywalker has rarely, if ever, at this point, been taken by surprise by - and thrown with - a blast of TK. Strength in the Force is synonymous with Force Barrier, the fact that Desann was able to break through the defenses of the Strongest Jedi the galaxy has ever known, even in the middle of battle, is impressive, not Palpatine tier, but at least powerful enough to contend with some of the best.
I'm sure plenty of people can achieve what Desann did to the structure. Revan, an amped Bane, Amulet Kun, Vader, Windu, Dooku, Yoda, Sheev, Valkorion. But I assure you all that each person you mention will be strong, indeed.
And, while many would be capable of achieving that feat through different means, only a handful of Force Users could affect Luke in that same way, to a greater, or a lesser extent
That's interesting, hmm. I thought there was more tbh lol.
Just a bit of humor, friend.
So she can TK sabers? Knock em out into a the vast emptiness of Malachor or into a wall? :mmm: If i remember correctly there should be a quote about the Lightsaber being given a will of their own.
Via power scaling he is above Tavion, who despite being below the likes of the Shadow Troopers(Who are regarded as "Technical Masterpieces"-Jedi Outcast guide) and Reborn Boss(who have the following wank "The toughest of all Reborn, these guys are excruciatingly fast, and cunning with a lightsaber"-Jedi Outcast guide) is still a "Force to be reckoned with" as an Apprentice. Yet Desann rules over the Reborn and Shadow Troopers, despite the Reborn having had their powers quadrupled by the Valley(Citation: Jedi Vs Sith) and their focus on Lightsaber combat over the Force(Citation: Threats of the Galaxy) Desann is still their Master, and Superior, one would assume that like with Revan/Malak/The Triumvirate}, he is their superior in all areas.
:mmm: I need to get on that RT
Damn, Fated. Not to be rude, but I never expected you to put up a wall of text argument, good on ya.
You probably have, and my memory is just bad. xD
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Because she has showcased no such thing?She Telekinetically wrecked the Council by taking them by surprises, and later(in restored and cut content) she owns all of them via Choke, Crush, Whirlwind and..(?)
In any case, this is impressive. But while the Council is impressive, they don't necessarily have the best track record.
The Council have done what, exactly? To cement their defeat at the hands of Kreia as something comparable to destroying an entire structure with a casual gesture?
The Enclave feat is something they achieved through working together, even then we know nothing of how long it took for them to repair it. Kreia ability to multitask between choking someone, tking someone else and mind****ing another person is impressive to be sure, but she has hardly displayed the raw strength to achieve what Desann has 😬
The Enclave feat wouldn't have taken long because the scavengers don't notice anything. That they stand still in one spot is pretty much entirely game mechanics - under reasonable logic you'd think they walked around, looked around, etc. - one of them even has a clear line of sight to the Enclave and one of its previously damaged parts, he literally just has to turn around. It doesn't make sense for the Enclave feat being done in more than a couple of minutes.
Other feats? How about using internal telekinesis to instantly kill seven of the strongest Sith of her time? How about effortlessly Choking and Crushing Sion, an "ultra-powerful monster of the dark side" who's nearly killed a mid-game Surik with Crush/Drain and the aid of two Sith Lords?
Anyway, even if Desann was as powerful as Traya was on a "colossal geyser" of dark side energies, he still wouldn't be dominating Surik, whom Traya couldn't dominate on said geyser. Now, imagine a more powerful Surik, off-nexus. Desann wrecking her with Force powers? I'm not seeing it.
If anything, she'd use TK on the support structures rather than go for the damn thing head on.
Which doesn't exclude her from being able to knock down that pillar. It's not that overwhelming, lol.
Several, the battle on Vjun Castle with the Nightsisters, the battle after he fought her and Savage, her being wrecked in OCW
You mean dominating her with the Force? That's not even remotely comparable here.
Nobody points out Dooku was being beaten back by the Nightsisters when he used Lightning and TK in conjunction, it's simply impressive that he did it. Nobody points out that Vader used TK to beat Roan Shryne 6 months after ROTS, it's simply impressive that he was able to kill him. Nobody points out that Kas'im wasn't bested through Saber combat by Bane, but rather by TK(IK everyone points this out, I am trying to make a point)
Actually, people do make the points. Try to use relevant examples when you make your own point, lol.
I could go on, the focus is never shifted on context on these boards, the spotlight merely stays on the badassery of the feat, nothing more. Why is it suddenly different with Desann? I'm not saying you do this, but it is a reoccurring issue of little importance.
It's not as if the feats of KotOR II characters or Ancient Sith Lords or whatever aren't slagged with the circumstances argument. I mean, even I've done that before, so I'm not exactly "shifting the spotlight" or anything.
What the point is, is that Luke Skywalker has rarely, if ever, at this point, been taken by surprise by - and thrown with - a blast of TK.
Not really. Luke is notorious for jobbing. I mean, surely you don't think Lumiya or Viun Gaalan are Vader tier because they can contend with him in LotF/FotJ? It's not the Force, but it's similar.
Strength in the Force is synonymous with Force Barrier
Then Meetra can resist Desann's attacks.
the fact that Desann was able to break through the defenses of the Strongest Jedi the galaxy has ever known, even in the middle of battle, is impressive, not Palpatine tier, but at least powerful enough to contend with some of the best. And, while many would be capable of achieving that feat through different means, only a handful of Force Users could affect Luke in that same way, to a greater, or a lesser extent
I doubt Luke's the strongest Jedi at this point. And even if I did accept that it was legitimate TK, Desann was amped by the Valley of the Jedi when he did that feat, was he not?
I'm sure plenty of people can achieve what Desann did to the structure. Revan, an amped Bane, Amulet Kun, Vader, Windu, Dooku, Yoda, Sheev, Valkorion. But I assure you all that each person you mention will be strong, indeed.
Sorry, but that structure's not that big. It's not that hard to do it.
So she can TK sabers? Knock em out into a the vast emptiness of Malachor or into a wall? :mmm: If i remember correctly there should be a quote about the Lightsaber being given a will of their own.
Yes, they have their own will, and Surik can knock them down/temporarily stun them (ie. halt Traya's telekinetic influence over them).
Via power scaling he is above Tavion, who despite being below the likes of the Shadow Troopers(Who are regarded as "Technical Masterpieces"-Jedi Outcast guide) and Reborn Boss(who have the following wank "The toughest of all Reborn, these guys are excruciatingly fast, and cunning with a lightsaber"-Jedi Outcast guide) is still a "Force to be reckoned with" as an Apprentice. Yet Desann rules over the Reborn and Shadow Troopers, despite the Reborn having had their powers quadrupled by the Valley(Citation: Jedi Vs Sith) and their focus on Lightsaber combat over the Force(Citation: Threats of the Galaxy) Desann is still their Master, and Superior, one would assume that like with Revan/Malak/The Triumvirate}, he is their superior in all areas.
Yeah... I'm not seeing anything here that puts him above Sion, lol.